New vaccination requirements in Russia.

mbww

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As many, I hope Putin will react, and we can count on him to do it well, let's wait.
What I was thinking, or better say hoping, is that now that the army extended the definition of a war (let's summarize like this), we could also imagine that this "attack", because it's one, is seen as a national thread, and that the army takes the hand on it, meaning in practice that these ... let's say "corrupted politicians" (not only politicians but mainly) are already or will be strongly monitored and we may see a couple of arrestations in the incoming future. Of course the west will shout "au scandale", but who cares, blaming one more time Russia is not much more effective.

Please keep informed about the situation. I suppose we'll not hear about Putin until the date of 30 June, we'll see.
If I was to take a guess, this is how Putin will react:
{Concerned face}
“Look, it is not my decision or for me to tell you whether this is the right decision to enforce, if state agencies have determined that this is the best course of action, sure we have to listen to their recommendation.”

This is a standard phrase from the playbook of plausible denial: I didn’t know that, I have nothing to do with it, I wasn't even there, we have an institution system - when in fact the entire system is a monolithic State authority with him at the top and all major decisions are run through him first .

What happens with all these so-called alt democracy states like China or Russia or even the EU with its satrapy system, they start to smell the potential of any authoritarian measure immediately after denying even the thought of such a thing on their turf.

Wait, you mean I can track people’s movement in Moscow and around without any subpoena or warrant? - Let’s do it. There’s even more potential, such as identifying foreigners, or social behavior trends? - Sweet. QR codes? - Otlichno. Social credit like in China? - Wow.

Look at Europe: vaccine passport for tourists. Europe, not the USA. Wanna go to Greece for your summer vacation? You need to register through an online portal with your personal data and get a nice QR code. Greece, of all the countries in the world first to require a vaccine passport. Hmm… looks like the USA is lagging now behind these “freedom” champs. I wouldn’t be surprised if Belarus next is first to announce chip implants for its population, just to fight the new Covid variants.
 

N1mTzo

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Um, could you answer the substance of the question? No silly dislikes and no less useless emoticons.
Does KingPu have REAL political opponents in Russia? Does Russia have independent media (not foreign agents - under the new law) and freedom of speech? And who in the Russian Federation makes all government decisions? Are you sure you live in Russia? I live here and feel a little freaked out from what I've seen over the past few years.

“Look, it is not my decision or for me to tell you whether this is the right decision to enforce, if state agencies have determined that this is the best course of action, sure we have to listen to their recommendation.”

This is a standard phrase from the playbook of plausible denial: I didn’t know that, I have nothing to do with it, I wasn't even there, we have an institution system - when in fact the entire system is a monolithic State authority with him at the top and all major decisions are run through him first .
Right to the point.
 

anartist

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Right now all restaurant businesses in Moscow have 5 days to install a QR code reading system, because only vaccinated and those with antibodies will be allowed in the business.
Well I would try to "catch" Covid if they are accepting antibodies. Is there ANY testing for T-cells? The only ways I know are apparently expensive. And If they are using the PCR test would they run it at 40+ cycles that they use to push the number of cases up due to false positives, or would they use around 30 cycles to be more 'accurate'? It does seem to be a game, a distraction, did or did not Putin know? But it appears the pathocrats may have been in place for some time. The Sputnik 'vaccine' may be better, and I'd rather do it with our protocol, but I am unlikely to have the opportunity here in North America. Perhaps we could ask the Russians to fast the day before, during, and after the jab?:huh:
 

PaleFace

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Without the knowledge (and direct instruction) of KingPu, nothing is done in Russia.
This has not been true of even the most powerful absolute monarchs throughout history. No man rules alone. There are powerful lobbies, factions, bureaus, etc in any country let alone one as huge as Russia.

In general, it is ridiculous to read about all sorts of "fifth columns" and some "liberals" who harm the tsar. The tsar is good, but the boyars are bad! 500 years have passed since the time of Tsar Ivan 4, but little has changed in Russia since then.
Ivan the Formidable was a stalwart defender of the Russian people and a staunch opponent of Oligarchy. He stamped out the Judeo-Oligarchs in Novgorod and his letters on the topic should be required reading for all blind defenders of Oligarchy in all its forms ie for blind middle-class Moscow liberals like yourself.
All independent media outlets have long been closed in Russia, and all real opponents of the king are either in prison or have left the country. In terms of freedom of speech, Russia now occupies a place somewhere between Belarus and Gabon (forgive me the inhabitants of these countries).
Sadly, this is not true. All the opposition media outlets are easily accessible and this can be verified with a quick google or yandex search. Many of the opposition have formed a government-in-exile (literally their words) in places like Riga, Vilnius and Tel Aviv. The Russian people have repeatedly voiced the opinion that they would like to see these outlets closed because they spread smut and gay propaganda to the youth, but they have powerful connections and are never touched. The CIA radio project recently decided to move to Kiev and continue operating as usual instead of paying a fine.

Free speech is indeed being stifled by Big Tech like Yandex and VK. But it is the speech of people with pro-Russian sentiment. All liberal propaganda is boosted and encouraged, especially at the youth. The situation is analogous to the situation in America and most of the West generally.
What does it take for ordinary people to "accept" these elections?
Putin has always enjoyed a level of popularity that would make any western politician envious. Even the Levada and other "independent" (Judeo-Liberal) polling outfits have had to admit that returning Crimea, saving Assad in Syria and the social measures rolled out by Putin are wildly popular and give him a comfortable 60+% support baseline support rating.

and then KingPu will appear on a white horse and cancel this lockdown and this vaccination
You hate the idea of rightful king occupying the Russian throne because you hate your father. Many such cases. Sad.
 

PaleFace

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Belarus next is first to announce chip implants for its population, just to fight the new Covid variants.
You'd have to be very poorly informed to think that considering that Lukashenko literally went on record saying that Covid was bullshit and that all you need is exercise and a trip to the sauna to beat it. Oh, and that he was offered a bribe to lockdown his country, but he refused it.

Belarus has held the line better than any country other than China on the Corona hoax.
 

f1esk

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KingPu is shown every day in Russian television media, so he is aware of everything that is happening in Russia. Without the knowledge (and direct instruction) of KingPu, nothing is done in Russia.
In general, it is ridiculous to read about all sorts of "fifth columns" and some "liberals" who harm the tsar. The tsar is good, but the boyars are bad! 500 years have passed since the time of Tsar Ivan 4, but little has changed in Russia since then.
Understand, in Russia there are no "liberals" / opposition / fifth column. All independent media outlets have long been closed in Russia, and all real opponents of the king are either in prison or have left the country. In terms of freedom of speech, Russia now occupies a place somewhere between Belarus and Gabon (forgive me the inhabitants of these countries).

Medvedev was president for 4 years, and the world did not collapse because of this.


In Russia in September 2021 there will be "elections" to the lower house of parliament. Even under the condition that they are completely falsified (and it cannot be otherwise), the legitimacy of this whole "performance" remains a big question. At best, the voter turnout will be at the level of 15-20% (taking into account doctors / teachers / military and other civil servants who will be FORCED to vote).
What does it take for ordinary people to "accept" these elections? That's right, you first need to introduce a hard lockdown (mandatory vaccination, etc.), and then KingPu will appear on a white horse and cancel this lockdown and this vaccination. And everyone is happy and everyone is happy! Machiavelli was pleased too.
All this is an absolute lie. As for Medvedev, he should have been hanged back in August 2008 for treason. Navalny, log out.
 

Artem Tyomodachi

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Peskov say: “If a Muscovite works in the service sector, he must get vaccinated. If he decides not to get vaccinated, then he just has to stop working in the service sector "
 

Ant22

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All this is an absolute lie. As for Medvedev, he should have been hanged back in August 2008 for treason. Navalny, log out.
Hello f1esk and :welcome: to the forum! Since this is your first post, it would be great if you could introduce yourself in the Newbies area, as is customary here. We'd like to learn more about your journey towards our forum, which of Laura's books are you familiar with and which of the topics we deal with here are of the most interest to you. If you're not sure what to write please feel free to read other people's introductions :-)
 
But the real question, what is Putin planning to do ? Is he aware of the certain things that are going on right now ? If he is, will he act and try to change something or does he think that he does not have enough power ? Or maybe he knows so much but he does not care ? So many questions. Do you really want to fight lies with your own lies, hoping you will prevail ? We can remember what happened with Trump, he was pushing vaccines and than what happened to him, is history. He did not do many other things as well, like setting up a court for all those who implemented measures like mandatory masks, business closures and so on.
Putin could easily have more power than Trump, to organize military and people to arrest fascist and to write a constitution (in which you will not be able to force people to take anything against their will nor limit their freedom of movement) and set up a separate military to defend it.

But I think that has a small chance to happen.

Russia is slowly losing Russians and population is generally getting older. Also, I do not see people standing up and giving their life to change something. As long as stomachs are full ? In 1989 there were 119,865,469 Russians and in 2011 there were 111,016,896, in 2021 it could be about 105 000 000. Number would maybe be even lower if big migration did not happen from the ex Soviet Republics like Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic republics and so on. For example Kazakhstan had 6.2 millions of Russians in 1989 and in 2009 it was around 3.7 millions. Ukraine in 1989, Russians 11.3 millions and in 2001 8.3 millions. Did some of them change their identity and became Ukrainians ? maybe but Ukraine generally lost a lot of population.

Total fertility rate was 2 in 1989 and 1.5 in 2021. Certainly better than in 1996 when it was 1.27 but generally decreasing.
 

PaleFace

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But the real question, what is Putin planning to do ? Is he aware of the certain things that are going on right now ? If he is, will he act and try to change something or does he think that he does not have enough power ? Or maybe he knows so much but he does not care ? So many questions. Do you really want to fight lies with your own lies, hoping you will prevail ? We can remember what happened with Trump, he was pushing vaccines and than what happened to him, is history. He did not do many other things as well, like setting up a court for all those who implemented measures like mandatory masks, business closures and so on.
Putin could easily have more power than Trump, to organize military and people to arrest fascist and to write a constitution (in which you will not be able to force people to take anything against their will nor limit their freedom of movement) and set up a separate military to defend it.

But I think that has a small chance to happen.

Russia is slowly losing Russians and population is generally getting older. Also, I do not see people standing up and giving their life to change something. As long as stomachs are full ? In 1989 there were 119,865,469 Russians and in 2011 there were 111,016,896, in 2021 it could be about 105 000 000. Number would maybe be even lower if big migration did not happen from the ex Soviet Republics like Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic republics and so on. For example Kazakhstan had 6.2 millions of Russians in 1989 and in 2009 it was around 3.7 millions. Ukraine in 1989, Russians 11.3 millions and in 2001 8.3 millions. Did some of them change their identity and became Ukrainians ? maybe but Ukraine generally lost a lot of population.

Total fertility rate was 2 in 1989 and 1.5 in 2021. Certainly better than in 1996 when it was 1.27 but generally decreasing.
Putin wants stability above all else.

If enough people get riled up and he senses that there is serious opposition to the forced vax regime, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by acting as a counterweight to Sobyanin and friends' sick plot. Russian social media is ablaze so, fingers crossed. There are petitions to arrest Sobyanin, Strelkov the leader of the Donbass rebellion has come out against it, etc. I don't see any reason for Putin to not act as a counterweight - he's done it before many times on popular issues like pension reform, etc.

Russia has promoted its Sputnik vax as an alternative to Bill Gates' mRNA gene therapy, its true (Putin went on record saying he would NOT get it though) but the population was promised that this would be as voluntary as the flu shot. Putin loses nothing by pointing to the Constitution that he fought so hard to get ratified and saying that it is a violation of the citizen's rights to be forced to take the vax especially for ppl who have underlying conditions and so on.

The real problem is not Sputnik. It seems to be just a regular vax and although all vaxxes are bullshit and do more harm than good, it can't be compared to the mRNA gene therapy being rolled out in the USSA and its occupied territories. The real problem is the QR codes, restrictions that the Sobyanin team is trying to roll out and the fear porn put out by the Oligarch media. This will mean that ppl have to get vaxed multiple times a year or suffer social consequences. Eventually Sobyanin and the Opposition (tm) will demand an mRNA style vax as well. In fact, the Opposition (tm) has already started calling for that. Remember: the Opposition is simply the attack dog of the Judeo-Liberal World Order and is attacking Putin because he hasn't locked down hard enough!

As for demographic situation: the last 100+ years has shown us that atheistic societies do not reproduce. The Orthodox Church, with all its problems, and President Putin, with all his problems, are the only forces in society consistently encouraging people to start large families. The abortion scourge has been greatly reduced at the very least.

Lending rates for first time home buyers are still too high, even though Putin has intervened multiple times to get it lowered and improve on the maternity capital program, which is quite good. And there is a degenerate pop culture that isn't helping. Also, the Soviet legacy of looking down on large families is... well... its not doing anyone any favors.

But there is not a single White country with a positive reproductive rate, so this is not a problem specific to Russia. I suppose Whites don't breed well in captivity...
 

Cosmos

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Putin has addressed the issue:


Seem that it was something certain governors/districts did on their own accord according to already existing laws. Putin says: yes he is against it, but according to the law, the governors have the right to decide on their own if they implement such mandatory vaccinations for certain groups in their regions, which some did.
 

Cosmos

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Take a listen to the first 18 Minutes or so (starting at 04:45) in the following video. Putin is asked about a number of Corona related issues and also tells stuff about the topic from on his own accord:


Well, after listening to that, I might have to reconsider my stance in regard to how much Putin and Co. know about what is really going on here. Could it be that Putin has missed the boat in regard to Covid? I have to admit that it almost sounds like it, unfortunately. Or is he playing a longer game, wanting the Russians to be vaccinated with Sputnik (and the other russian vaccines) in order to avoid further economic damage (pressures and such) because he knows that Sputnik is really "safe"? Would he say the same things about the vaccines if it wouldn't be Sputnik but Pfizer for example?

I dunno, what he said there is pretty much how many mainstream people view the situation. For all intents and purposes, he is even going as far as saying that to think that there is some conspiracy involved is crazy and that you shouldn't listen to anti vaccine people but to the experts instead. Maybe Putin has a blind spot, namely believing too much in the health industry and "experts" in general? It is of note that most of what he said there was on his own accord.

On the other hand, it is really hard for me to believe that Putin doesn't know much more about the situation and that there is something nefarious going on here. The C's said something along the lines, that a number of high ranking leaders and world leaders were warned or are in the know about something they have been told (warned) about in regard to all of this, and I can hardly imagine that Putin wouldn't know about something.
 
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Cosmos

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I would be interested to hear what people think about this who can understand the original in russian? Maybe there are some nuances that the translation hasn't carried? Also, from his own accord, Putin told about doctors and health care professionals who do fake COVID-19 vaccines (with things like saline solution?) in russia, seemingly finding it not so bad or even amusing and calling it "a little fraudulent thing" that he hopes doesn't happen on any wide scale. Well, the way he said that told me and maybe most listeners that something like that isn't something so bad and will not be punished.
 
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I also have to note that I haven't heard any horror stories from the Sputnik vaccine (and other russian vaccines). I mean, nothing. Now compare that to the AstraZeneca, Pfizer and all the other western ones, where you can find quite horrible/scary things happening to some if not many people. And as far as I know, a couple of months ago, already about half of the earths' population had access to the Sputnik vaccine (and other russian vaccines)! That is: a very large section of the non-western world. "The West" seems to be the only place/area where people still can't use the russian vaccines.

One would think if there would be even any slightly negative consequences of those russian vaccines, that the mainstream (especially in the west) would have already jumped on it and reported about "the bad russian vaccines" everywhere? The fact that nothing of that sort seems to have happened so far, could point to the idea that the russian one is really pretty harmless? So harmless in fact, that they simply can't find any reportable negative things about it even though many people (!!!) have used it: Probably much more people have already got the russian vaccine than all the other western vaccines combined, and yet we don't hear any negative things!?
 
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