My question for the SOTT team.

Reflection

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Just to give you guys some background, I've posted here once before over my concern for the economic viewpoint being spread here. I said a few things and I let it go. I'm not very big on posting in forums as there is always a couple trolls who make sincere discussion impossible. If there are not some trolls then there is a babbysitter mod banning anything that moves. I don't know how it is on these forums am just saying from my exp.

I have frequented this site for about 8 years give or take. I donated ages ago when that dumbass sued you guys and I donated when you thought you were going to be evicted from the current house/workplace w/e. I've bought shirts, dot connector subscrip, books. I feel a real connection to you guys but over the past half year or so it has not been how I remember. Either that or I am changing or more likely a bit of both. I am a libertarian in my blood, now more than ever. I have been studying austrian economics, rothbard, mises. I am a huge ron paul fan (even though he let us down), I would walk to the ends of the earth for that guy. So you can understand my concern for the support of liberal big govt economic articles.

I have commented on many articles here hoping by some slim chance some rational sound money theory could have an effect on the steering of this ship. And I can deal with the fact that it hasn't. But I guess I am "joe six pack" and I believe gun ownership in this country is the only thing keeping this planet from one world currency/govt ran by the very psychopaths we all despise. I believe 99% of all mass shootings are an orchestrated attempt to disarm this nation. I don't know how exactly and may never, but I am done with coincidences and know the forces at work will commit any act to achieve their goals.

To sum this up things are changing in my life and it is time for me to part ways with sott. I share your guys views on so many things, too many to list. But the chasm is to wide on the views I do not share, and far too important. I sincerely wish you guys the best. But I will no longer be lurking and offering my midnight rants after this thread has run it's course.

Peace
 

anart

A Disturbance in the Force
I think your views are likely the views of a wide range of sott.net readers. The great thing about sott.net readers is that they come from such hugely diverse backgrounds and belief systems. The main thing they have in common is a deeply felt notion that something is seriously wrong with the world and a desire to try to find out what it is. I can't imagine that any person agrees with every single article posted on the sott.net page - I certainly don't. I do, however, think it's one of the best - if not THE best - sources of information and analysis available on the web - and it's free.

In short, if you have to agree with everything posted on the sott.net page in order to enjoy it or to learn from it, then, yeah, I guess it's best that you move along to another page for your news. I would caution reading only things that you agree with, though, since that tends to narrow your view of the world. Plus, posting on sott.net articles is a great way to help others see your point of view and shed a different slant on things, but if it's stressing you out to do so, then I guess your choice is the correct one for you. Just my thoughts.
 

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Reflection said:
I have commented on many articles here hoping by some slim chance some rational sound money theory could have an effect on the steering of this ship. And I can deal with the fact that it hasn't. But I guess I am "joe six pack" and I believe gun ownership in this country is the only thing keeping this planet from one world currency/govt ran by the very psychopaths we all despise. I believe 99% of all mass shootings are an orchestrated attempt to disarm this nation. I don't know how exactly and may never, but I am done with coincidences and know the forces at work will commit any act to achieve their goals.

To sum this up things are changing in my life and it is time for me to part ways with sott. I share your guys views on so many things, too many to list. But the chasm is to wide on the views I do not share, and far too important. I sincerely wish you guys the best. But I will no longer be lurking and offering my midnight rants after this thread has run it's course.

Peace

Maybe if you could be a bit more explicit in what these differences you perceive are we could have a fruitful discussion on the topic(s).
 

Buddy

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I don't represent 'the SOTT team', but I know there are people on here capable to participate in an economic (for example) discussion without distorting ideas to fit pre-conceived notions. Not everyone is constrained to pattern-matching, deduction-only mentation. Give it a whirl if you're so inclined.
 

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Buddy said:
I don't represent 'the SOTT team', but I know there are people on here capable to participate in an economic (for example) discussion without distorting ideas to fit pre-conceived notions. Not everyone is constrained to pattern-matching, deduction-only mentation. Give it a whirl if you're so inclined.

Well I do represent the "SOTT team" and I for one had no idea that we were promoting unsound economic theories, so an explanation would be useful.

I presume you are referring to this topic? You stopped posting on that topic after a few initial posts. Why didn't you respond to some of the later posts?
 

Buddy

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Perceval said:
Buddy said:
I don't represent 'the SOTT team', but I know there are people on here capable to participate in an economic (for example) discussion without distorting ideas to fit pre-conceived notions. Not everyone is constrained to pattern-matching, deduction-only mentation. Give it a whirl if you're so inclined.

Well I do represent the "SOTT team" and I for one had no idea that we were promoting unsound economic theories, so an explanation would be useful.

I think I'm responsible for a mistaken impression here. I have no idea what economic theory we promote, let alone how sound it is. I responded without reviewing Reflection's posting history and had forgotten about that thread.

Perceval said:
I presume you are referring to this topic? You stopped posting on that topic after a few initial posts. Why didn't you respond to some of the later posts?

No, it's simply that others likely know more about economic theory than I, and at that time when that topic became complicated I couldn't keep my focus on a particular 'line of force' so to speak.

In case you were put off by the remark beginning "Not everyone is constrained...", that refers to the membership as a whole which includes yourself, so I don't see a problem. Perhaps I could simply have been clearer.

At any rate my intent was nothing more than to simply to ask the poster to reconsider.
 

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Buddy, my impression is that Perceval is addressing the OP, not you. Having done it myself, I know that sometimes you can be quick to take the guilt for something you haven't done or are responsible for. In my case it has to do with narcissistic upbringing and being an ACOA, or that is my current understanding.
 

Reflection

A Disturbance in the Force
I would highly encourage everyone to read http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal/dp/091298645X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358579306&sr=8-1&keywords=g.+edward+griffin

This is the book that really changed my world on economics. I appreciate the replies to this thread and the others, I will continue to monitor and reply for a reasonable amount of time. This site has been such a big part of my life for many years I will try to respond as best I can for those who are interested.

Like I said though, the economics I could get past but when you advocate the erosion of the amendments to our constitution for the sake of some perceived 'safety' it is too much for me to swallow. Heroine, Pot, Cocain, Meth, Prostitution...all are illegal and banned by administrative law. Yet all of these are attainable by the poorest members of society. If you add guns to this list it does not change a thing for those of determined mind. Yet for some reason I see repeated articles here stating america needs any 'gun control' measures in the pipeline. As if that is somehow going to effect a criminal of any stripe.

I do not know what to make of the "C's" and the deep stuff Laura gets into. I know things exist outside this realm, dimension, existence w/e the term. But I can't prove any of it so I am forced to take it with a grain of salt. All I know is this was the place I used to come to during the bush years where everything was anti-power, anti-govt, pro-individual, pro-liberty. Now I feel like there is some sort of left-right paradigm going on here. Where now that we have a perceived 'left' power period of time that SOME of what they want is somehow acceptable.

Where is the SOTT that understood that power had 2 sides to the coin? That left-right was an illusion to control the masses. That what mattered was freedom and liberty. Do some here really believe that a half measure by the current power can somehow result in us being 'safer'? Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. Those words never rang more true now than in the 18th century.

Time for me to sleep I suppose. I have about a 3 hr nap to get before an long ride to a state capital 2nd amendment protest. Hopefully my spider-sense is good and I avoid any handcuffs lol
 

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I don't see where your impression about SOTT's stand on these issues are coming from, Reflection. SOTT makes it clear that there is no difference between "left-right" politics quite often. Their view has been, with lots of evidence, that false flag ops such as Sandy Hook are a manipulation of the public. Guns are a side issue that just get many people riled up one way or the other -- they're irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. Like Joe and others have pointed out, guns can't protect real freedom, only knowledge can, and the whole "gun control" issue is a ruse. Anyway what chance do people with smaller weapons have to go up against the militarized machine? It's a totally different kind of "weapon" that is a threat to the PTB and the status quo that counts really counts: knowledge and understanding.

So you may want to look closer at what is triggering these reactions in you? Anyway, stay safe and out of trouble at the protest. :)
 

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Aragorn said:
Buddy, my impression is that Perceval is addressing the OP, not you. Having done it myself, I know that sometimes you can be quick to take the guilt for something you haven't done or are responsible for. In my case it has to do with narcissistic upbringing and being an ACOA, or that is my current understanding.

Yeah Buddy, sorry about that, I was addressing my comment to Reflection
 

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Reflection said:
Like I said though, the economics I could get past but when you advocate the erosion of the amendments to our constitution for the sake of some perceived 'safety' it is too much for me to swallow.

I don't know where you got that idea from, but it is not an official policy of Sott.net or this forum to advocate the erosion of the amendments to the US constitution for the sake of some perceived 'safety'. In fact, we have gone to great lengths to point out that the freedoms enshrined in the US constitution have been progressively stripped away, particularly over the past 10 years, by using the excuse of "keeping Americans safe".

Reflection said:
Time for me to sleep I suppose. I have about a 3 hr nap to get before an long ride to a state capital 2nd amendment protest. Hopefully my spider-sense is good and I avoid any handcuffs lol


Stay safe.
 

Buddy

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Perceval said:
Aragorn said:
Buddy, my impression is that Perceval is addressing the OP, not you. Having done it myself, I know that sometimes you can be quick to take the guilt for something you haven't done or are responsible for. In my case it has to do with narcissistic upbringing and being an ACOA, or that is my current understanding.

Yeah Buddy, sorry about that, I was addressing my comment to Reflection

OK, thanks to both of you. :)
 

Buddy

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Reflection said:
I have commented on many articles here hoping by some slim chance some rational sound money theory could have an effect on the steering of this ship.

I re-read your topic post here and your follow up in order to refresh my memory of your 'rational sound money theory'.

While I didn't read anything with which I strongly disagreed, I'm wondering if you are explicitly referring to 'privatization' as the economic ideal and 'Libertarian' as the political ideal? If so, then despite the tendency for the theorizing mind to oversimplify almost every issue, I think that I agree more than disagree with the bulk of what I perceive as your message. Or perhaps what I think of as the most important points.

Reflection said:
But I guess I am "joe six pack" and I believe gun ownership in this country is the only thing keeping this planet from one world currency/govt ran by the very psychopaths we all despise. I believe 99% of all mass shootings are an orchestrated attempt to disarm this nation.

For all I know, that may actually be true on some lower level within the political hegemony, but I see the overarching issue as also involving calculated attempts to feed a steady diet of fear to the American public. A great deal of neuroscience data has been amassed demonstrating how "negative emotions shut down the prefrontal cortex and hence the ability to learn." And that "a negative context produces a chain of negative effects on learning and causes brains to switch off and into a non problem-solving mode."

Furthermore, inducing and maintaining states of Dissociation and Freezing in people could be a way of implementing a 'stalling frequency' or a 'frequency fence':

Dissociation or going into a numbed or frozen state can help a person distance away or split from the trauma. Dissociation includes automatic states of confusion, shock and paralysis that initially helped you deal with overwhelming threat of immediate danger by freezing and not reacting during times of feeling over-powered. These thoughts of being harmed were so overwhelming that the emotions shut down placing the person in a state of numbing which narrowed the perceptual field and caused distortion of reality.

[...]

The body is caught in a pattern of unbalance and the life force becomes restricted. The vibrational rate of the individual is affected.

So, here we are trying to raise our FRV and SoTT is saying it exists "for people who think." And about our larger environment? Well, here is a seemingly massive, coordinated attempt to keep people's minds turned off and their emotional centers shut down. The gun issue, the public education issue, the terrorist issue are all just means to this end if our Work means anything at all, OSIT. And about our monetary system? It's a pyramid scheme that only functions as long as debt is being created at an accelerating rate. That seems pretty clear, though I could be off.


Reflection said:
To sum this up things are changing in my life and it is time for me to part ways with sott. I share your guys views on so many things, too many to list. But the chasm is to wide on the views I do not share, and far too important. I sincerely wish you guys the best. But I will no longer be lurking and offering my midnight rants after this thread has run it's course.

Peace

FWIW, I did enjoy revisiting your posts and doing some rethinking, but mostly I respect your ability to articulate your convictions. If you must go then, thanks for sharing.


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Refs:
_http://www.oecd.org/edu/ceri/34098220.pdf
_http://www.angriesout.com/Five_Element_ReleaseTechnique.pdf
 

leesmith

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Reflection--hang around.

Have you read Amazing Grace?

I'm "Ron" & "Austria" too. --Don't take anything you read here to be anti. It's "Where I am when I write what I'm writing." This is easily one of the only places I know of where "free will" (see The Wave) is at the wheel. Since I've been reading Laura's books and the SOTT site for years I have no idea why it took me so long to get on the forum.

But--free will.
 

Reflection

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What an amazing protest rally! Was about 1500 people milling around the state courthouse, half of which were openly armed. We outnumbered the cops by a large margin. Only seen about 20 cops in the open. The irony is I have never felt more safe in my entire adult life. For once I KNEW no cop could bother me for an unjust reason. In fact, if anyone got out of line there was the distinct feeling we would all take care of it ourselves. It was an amazing feeling!

The conversation was so intelligent, so polite, just...amazing. People in suits and ties wearing AR-15s over their shoulders, factory workers, old bikers, parents, kids and plenty of iraq war vets. Every 3rd car honked, waved or cheered. The best sign of all: Piers Morgan is a wanker! lol Such a great experience to see so many intelligent people who all understood one fundamental thing; the MSM media dialogue must be challenged and changed. We must determine the dialogue and anything that restricts our liberty must be exposed for what it is. Tyranny not safety.


Leaving that aside however, the comment that finally put me over the edge was on this article http://www.sott.net/article/256476-Nutzoid-states-Mississippi-governor-moves-to-make-gun-control-illegal

Comment: America needs all the gun control help it can. Less guns on the streets can only be a good thing, given that guns in the hands of Joe Sixpack aren't going to stop mass shootings.

This was like a knife in the gut. Knowledge is the most important thing on earth in my opinion. Without our ability to defend ourselves you will NOT have the luxury of the free flow of information. About 88 out of every 100 people in this country owns a firearm. THIS is what protects the knowledge. If you don't think so you should research WW2 on why the Japanese decided against invading the US mainland. To loosely quote their head admiral, "If you invade the american mainland you will find a rifle barrel behind every blade of grass." It is an armed populace that protects this nation and all of our achievements, including the net which has set back the old world order by another 20-30 years at least. The military may have tanks, planes and other amazing destructive toys. But they do NOT have numbers. 20 men with squirrel rifles is greater than 1 machine gun. They know it and it is precisely their knowledge of this fact that keeps us secure from tyranny.

In the past 100 years we have lapsed. The meanings of words have been changed to trick us. The media has been corrupted and controlled. Classical liberalism is now called conservatism. The political hybrid of socialism is now considered progress when it only expands the powers, size and scope of govt. All in the name of the peoples 'welfare'. The people's welfare originally meant reducing govt involvement in your life. The majority of people knew their welfare was best looked after by themselves.

Hell, the industrial revolution was the result of economic freedom from govt involvement. Unions were a product of free people, free from their govt giving favors to large businesses. The govt protecting people's rights by supporting unions is laughable. If the govt supports it it is only because it expands their own position. Govt does nothing for the freedom of people except getting out of the way or reducing our tax burden. Most importantly when I say 'govt' I mean the entire systemic complex and all its appendages. Govt subsidized businesses, banks or education centers is not private.

Anyways this is getting way long and I apologize. Also my book list is very long right now but I will take down the recommendations listed here and hopefully get to them at some point. This will be my last visit here and I truly wish you all the best. I know I can't steer this ship but if one person reads "The creature from Jekyll Island" I would die a happy man lol. Maybe I'll be back at some point, I certainly will miss the alternative health articles. Anyways...

Later,

Ben
 
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