MSNBC Poll has Ron Paul in the Lead!!!!
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August 5, 2008, Republican presidential candidates debate in Des Moines: Check out the results --
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3436820
Also, Drudge is conducting a poll from his readers this morning. He does not keep history, so here are the numbers that I hand copied down at about 13:30 --
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3436820
Also, Drudge is conducting a poll from his readers this morning. He does not keep history, so here are the numbers that I hand copied down at about 13:30 --
Charliebox
The Force is Strong With This One
Check out this website:
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
As of today:
For the Republican Candidates around the world:
1. Ron Paul Total Votes:15,368
2. Rudi Giuliani Total Votes:699
In just the US:
1. 12674 votes for Ron Paul
2. 437 votes for Rudy Giuliani
Pretty much the same margin. Rudi actually has less of a percentage.
Funny how Ron is a '2nd teir candidate'.
I know it's all 'internet losers' (aka people who don't simply watch TV and read papers to get thier information) who are on this site (so you can't take these polls as a reflection of the whole) but the numbers in the US aren't even close.
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
As of today:
For the Republican Candidates around the world:
1. Ron Paul Total Votes:15,368
2. Rudi Giuliani Total Votes:699
In just the US:
1. 12674 votes for Ron Paul
2. 437 votes for Rudy Giuliani
Pretty much the same margin. Rudi actually has less of a percentage.
Funny how Ron is a '2nd teir candidate'.
I know it's all 'internet losers' (aka people who don't simply watch TV and read papers to get thier information) who are on this site (so you can't take these polls as a reflection of the whole) but the numbers in the US aren't even close.
It's the first election process I'm watching with any awareness, which is cool (I began paying attention in 2004 cuz that's when I found cass site). It's nice to know the nature of the system, and then watch the absurdities right before your eyes. It seems easier to cheat the voting system by making it close to 50/50 between 2 candidates, and then easily just adjusting it slightly in favor of whoever they want. This way the public would see either outcome as plausible, not like a 90/10 difference and suddenly the guy with 10 wins.
Then again, you have a huge demographic of people who don't even have a TV, who don't know that the moon orbits around the earth (teehee), and they all vote too. You got your bible belt etc. So there's potential for this early poll to dramatically change I think, just a matter of manipulating. And ya in the bigger pic, it's all completely irrelevant - it's just fun to watch the "game" while being aware of how it works, it's almost fascinating just to observe the machine in action, the manipulation, the nonsense, basically the "game".
One thing that might be interesting is to have an independent website set up and poll each state and have the poll keep going up until election. And make sure that the website is not "in cahoots" with any PTB, which would be tricky. Then to see the discrepancy between those polls and actual voting results. Was it Stalin that said that "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes". Well back in his day it's even easier, there's no TV, not internet, people REALLY might have no idea what general population thinks of any region, except through official vote results. But with a site like this, and to verify the IP of people who do cast the e-votes to make sure people are in that state... maybe it might give us an idea of what the real consensus is? It really may end up being 90 to 10 for one candidate over another. So later when we end up at 50/50 or something typical, and the candidate that landed on 10 in e-votes ends up winning by a small margin, it would be all the more interesting :)
Then again, you have a huge demographic of people who don't even have a TV, who don't know that the moon orbits around the earth (teehee), and they all vote too. You got your bible belt etc. So there's potential for this early poll to dramatically change I think, just a matter of manipulating. And ya in the bigger pic, it's all completely irrelevant - it's just fun to watch the "game" while being aware of how it works, it's almost fascinating just to observe the machine in action, the manipulation, the nonsense, basically the "game".
One thing that might be interesting is to have an independent website set up and poll each state and have the poll keep going up until election. And make sure that the website is not "in cahoots" with any PTB, which would be tricky. Then to see the discrepancy between those polls and actual voting results. Was it Stalin that said that "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes". Well back in his day it's even easier, there's no TV, not internet, people REALLY might have no idea what general population thinks of any region, except through official vote results. But with a site like this, and to verify the IP of people who do cast the e-votes to make sure people are in that state... maybe it might give us an idea of what the real consensus is? It really may end up being 90 to 10 for one candidate over another. So later when we end up at 50/50 or something typical, and the candidate that landed on 10 in e-votes ends up winning by a small margin, it would be all the more interesting :)
<< Funny how Ron is a '2nd teir candidate'. >>
Or a "1 percenter" as others call him. Mainstream coverage of him seems to have dropped to almost zero, in my perception anyway.
The results of this one << http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/ >> show how many are fooled by Obama, who is, far and away, the Democratic winner, which is mind-boggling considering how he's made no effort to hide that he would violate the sovereignty of other nations with the US military. The fact that "to capture or kill bin Laden" is the hypothetical reason to take such action doesn't excuse this, IMO.
Or a "1 percenter" as others call him. Mainstream coverage of him seems to have dropped to almost zero, in my perception anyway.
The results of this one << http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/ >> show how many are fooled by Obama, who is, far and away, the Democratic winner, which is mind-boggling considering how he's made no effort to hide that he would violate the sovereignty of other nations with the US military. The fact that "to capture or kill bin Laden" is the hypothetical reason to take such action doesn't excuse this, IMO.
dant
The Living Force
Please forgive me if the following is in the wrong thread so please place this where-ever
it belongs. I got this email message from a friend and I do not know what to make of
it, so I will just post it here, without comment.
Here is something else in regards to RP:
_http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north584.html
it belongs. I got this email message from a friend and I do not know what to make of
it, so I will just post it here, without comment.
[Edit #1]RP Email said:
Here is something else in regards to RP:
_http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north584.html
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Well, there is a story in the local paper about it - _http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/nov/15/liberty-dollar-office-raided/
but the only source this story uses is the email you have posted above and they use 'allegedly' quite a bit. Not sure if that is because they can't prove it or because they don't think it happened, or because the FBI didn't comment and referred them to the US Attorney's Office who said it had no knowledge of an investigation (which is a common answer). So - not sure whether this is a publicity ploy or not.
but the only source this story uses is the email you have posted above and they use 'allegedly' quite a bit. Not sure if that is because they can't prove it or because they don't think it happened, or because the FBI didn't comment and referred them to the US Attorney's Office who said it had no knowledge of an investigation (which is a common answer). So - not sure whether this is a publicity ploy or not.
dant
The Living Force
Well,
Since it appeared today, I wonder if Ron Paul was even involved
and if he was, you'd think he'd have something to say about it
unless he was under a gag order or something. I guess we will
have to wait and see if anything comes of it.
The other thing here also, is that you'd think that perhaps there
would be a gaggle of local news reporter all over it - since how
can a FBI raid occur without anyone noticing?
Dunno. It's perplexing.
Since it appeared today, I wonder if Ron Paul was even involved
and if he was, you'd think he'd have something to say about it
unless he was under a gag order or something. I guess we will
have to wait and see if anything comes of it.
The other thing here also, is that you'd think that perhaps there
would be a gaggle of local news reporter all over it - since how
can a FBI raid occur without anyone noticing?
Dunno. It's perplexing.
sHiZo963
Jedi
More news:
_http://www.nysun.com/article/66542?page_no=1
Associated press article:
_http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZHepUhX3cYLnSqZV2tm_byrun3AD8SV1B5O2
And this local news video:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_sSipUrBG0
edit:
From WorldNetDaily:
_http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58724
As far as I know, the Ron Paul campaign was not involved in this Liberty Dollar enterprise. They minted 'Ron Paul' coins to commemorate his strong stance on abolishing the IRS and the Fed, as well as getting the US back to a value-backed currency.
Also, here is a letter Liberty Dollar's founder posted today:
_http://www.nysun.com/article/66542?page_no=1
Associated press article:
_http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZHepUhX3cYLnSqZV2tm_byrun3AD8SV1B5O2
And this local news video:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_sSipUrBG0
edit:
From WorldNetDaily:
_http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58724
As far as I know, the Ron Paul campaign was not involved in this Liberty Dollar enterprise. They minted 'Ron Paul' coins to commemorate his strong stance on abolishing the IRS and the Fed, as well as getting the US back to a value-backed currency.
Also, here is a letter Liberty Dollar's founder posted today:
Scary stuff...