high strangeness in french

Maat

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for French forumites here is 2 interviews with people involved in high strangeness on a french alternative radio :

David Jacobs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXrp3pWxVg (abductions and hybrids)

Eve Lorgen : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJbiOEJVnE (psychic vampirism of aliens)

And I add an old lecture of Jacques Vallée (just skip the early awful minutes of autocongratulations of the bad host and go ahead) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CweiSlWiyQI (part I)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxXchM8RtE (part II)

hope you will enjoy

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Maat said:
for French forumites here is 2 interviews with people involved in high strangeness on a french alternative radio :

David Jacobs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXrp3pWxVg (abductions and hybrids)

Eve Lorgen : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJbiOEJVnE (psychic vampirism of aliens)

And I add an old lecture of Jacques Vallée (just skip the early awful minutes of autocongratulations of the bad host and go ahead) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CweiSlWiyQI (part I)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxXchM8RtE (part II)

hope you will enjoy

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Thanks for sharing Maat.
 

Maat

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This one of Philippe Solal is very good too and surprising at the end

http://rim951.fr/?s=solal
 

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Altair said:
Thanks for sharing! :)
Ditto! Thanks Maat, nice work! And Jacques Vallée, the Man.


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Altair

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I finished listening these two interviews.

Maat said:
David Jacobs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXrp3pWxVg (abductions and hybrids)

Eve Lorgen : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJbiOEJVnE (psychic vampirism of aliens)
The both are in English with translation into French. In the 2nd interview David Jacobs basically outlines ideas from his book The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda though it's interesting to listen even if one already has read the book. The most interesting for me was the interview with Eve Lorgen. Her website: _http://evelorgen.com/wp/
 

Maat

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another interesting show about the abduction phenomena with Marie-Thérèse Debrosses (psychologist/journalist, one of the first to have published a book about this topic in France), Romuald Leterrier (ethnobotanist and ayahuasca experiencer), and Nicolas Dumont (psychologist who counsel some abductees)

Part one : _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYFSpJH1cvo
Part two : _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg2cbZ9OzoE

As often when the question is well addressed (at least in my humble opinion), the discussion goes deep about consciousness.

Hope you will enjoy :)
 

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Maat said:
another interesting show about the abduction phenomena with Marie-Thérèse Debrosses (psychologist/journalist, one of the first to have published a book about this topic in France), Romuald Leterrier (ethnobotanist and ayahuasca experiencer), and Nicolas Dumont (psychologist who counsel some abductees)

Part one : _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYFSpJH1cvo
Part two : _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg2cbZ9OzoE

As often when the question is well addressed (at least in my humble opinion), the discussion goes deep about consciousness.

Hope you will enjoy :)
Thanks Maat for sharing.

Did you watch it and if so, since they are pretty long videos, could you give us a little summary just to give us a general idea of theses videos before watching them.
 

Maat

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Yes I watched it. What to tell more ? Discussion about hypnosis, memories, and consciousness, consciousness and consciousness ! Marie-Thérèse De Brosses is very skeptical about the work of David Jacobs, even if she can agree with some of his conclusions. But she loves Bud Hopkins ! Nicolas Dumont is very interesting with his openness and his will to help to integrate these strange experiences, whether they are traumatic or not. Romuald Leterrier was a little apart, because (and it was noted by the interviewer), his experience was willed in a sense, and not imposed.

As a side note, I was not able to watch it to the end (there is a reading of the conclusions by an Italian abductee/ufologist at the end) because my PC crashed down ! Something that didn't happen for long, it's just remind me my "good old days" when I was dwelling more on these topics and where that sort of things happened a lot. :rolleyes:
 

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Maat said:
Yes I watched it. What to tell more ? Discussion about hypnosis, memories, and consciousness, consciousness and consciousness ! Marie-Thérèse De Brosses is very skeptical about the work of David Jacobs, even if she can agree with some of his conclusions. But she loves Bud Hopkins ! Nicolas Dumont is very interesting with his openness and his will to help to integrate these strange experiences, whether they are traumatic or not. Romuald Leterrier was a little apart, because (and it was noted by the interviewer), his experience was willed in a sense, and not imposed.

As a side note, I was not able to watch it to the end (there is a reading of the conclusions by an Italian abductee/ufologist at the end) because my PC crashed down ! Something that didn't happen for long, it's just remind me my "good old days" when I was dwelling more on these topics and where that sort of things happened a lot. :rolleyes:
Thanks so much Maat.

I have just finished reading the 3 books of Dr Karla Turner (I wanted to read those books for over 10 years) while I am re-reading the sessions of 1994. Ouf, what a "Masquerade of Angels".

So, I will have a look at those videos.
 

Maat

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So, I finally listened to it till the end. And the end was interesting too ! This reading of the excerpt of the Italian author. In a nutshell, he says that he studied intensively abductions to know what was going on, what was the world etc., to finally discover that the more he has discovered and known in the process was him. All was a mirror of himself. Even I can agree with this view spiritually, I was wondering, if we, as human beings, are not extremely limited by our psyche in our understanding. I mean, this is so literally self-reflexive that it really points out what Carl Jung said several times in his works, that even if we are rational, we are so by our psyche (individual or collective), so we need to not forget that subjectivity remains. (He surely put it in a best way than me !)

Anyway, if you took the time to watch it, Gandalf, I'm certainly interested by what you think of it. :)
 

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Maat said:
So, I finally listened to it till the end. And the end was interesting too ! This reading of the excerpt of the Italian author. In a nutshell, he says that he studied intensively abductions to know what was going on, what was the world etc., to finally discover that the more he has discovered and known in the process was him. All was a mirror of himself. Even I can agree with this view spiritually, I was wondering, if we, as human beings, are not extremely limited by our psyche in our understanding. I mean, this is so literally self-reflexive that it really points out what Carl Jung said several times in his works, that even if we are rational, we are so by our psyche (individual or collective), so we need to not forget that subjectivity remains. (He surely put it in a best way than me !)

Anyway, if you took the time to watch it, Gandalf, I'm certainly interested by what you think of it. :)
I have not taken the time to watch them yet. :-[

But I have downloaded them. So hoping to be able to do that soon.
 

Maat

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No shame needed ;)

I was just curious of someone else opinion. (Thanks to the one that put it on the SOTT page, by the way, whoever he/she is)
 

Ellipse

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Maat said:
So, I finally listened to it till the end. And the end was interesting too ! This reading of the excerpt of the Italian author. In a nutshell, he says that he studied intensively abductions to know what was going on, what was the world etc., to finally discover that the more he has discovered and known in the process was him. All was a mirror of himself. Even I can agree with this view spiritually, I was wondering, if we, as human beings, are not extremely limited by our psyche in our understanding. I mean, this is so literally self-reflexive that it really points out what Carl Jung said several times in his works, that even if we are rational, we are so by our psyche (individual or collective), so we need to not forget that subjectivity remains. (He surely put it in a best way than me !)

Anyway, if you took the time to watch it, Gandalf, I'm certainly interested by what you think of it. :)
I think that, yes, in our current incarnation, in 3rd density, we are very limited to what we have access.
1/ by our personal level of consciousness
2/ by design of the 3rd density (linked with point 1 of course)
3/ by our design which, according to the C's and others have been altered
4/ by the PTB which put another layer of control on us

Now, to say that all is self-reflexive, in my opinion, is directly jumping to a kind of 7th density reasoning where this is perhaps the case. What I mean is that we are parts of the prime creator so in this sense I make a link with self-reflexivity. But I think this being ahead ourself, an over simplification not really helpful and very far from what we can reach to understand due to previous points.

I will try to listen to him before going further but from what you said I wonder if there isn't a confusion with the fact that time does not really exist and so if you manage to reach this, with our current level of consciousness you become confuse and think that all is "self-reflexive".
 

Maat

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Thanks for your input Ellipse.

To be more clear, it's me who qualified what this italian author has said to be self-reflexive from what I've understood. And you really expressed what bothered me in this. There's a paradoxal aspect to it (like often), it could be opening, or limiting ! And in fact, what striked me, it's that he said that after this understanding, he stopped to help others (as far as abductions was concerned) :huh:

I can understand that you don't want to become obsessed with this subject, or feel the need to take your distance with it, but I found it strange. But - other but - I haven't read his book, so I don't know.
 
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