George Simon: Character Disturbance

truth seeker

The Living Force
Just finished reading this last night and found it extremely helpful. As others said, it not only helps with seeing others but seeing the self as well. Many thanks for the suggestion.
 

mb

The Living Force
Helpful indeed. I haven't yet finished reading it but I am close. And my 'personality style' was a surprise.

I like the way the author breaks down the different kinds of 'disturbances.' It seems to go well with actual observation. I am less clear about the neurotic types. While I could find myself in there easily enough, the distinctions weren't as clear to me. Maybe I am not seeing something.
 

Psalehesost

The Living Force
After earlier reading the big 5 narcissism books, this book is useful to me in correcting a skewed perspective. All those discussions and references to that psychological material on the forum and the way it has been emphasized gave something of a narrow focus, trying and trying to see my own issues in the context of the kind of essentially neurotic issues that were described.

Sure, there's such to be found in my case - as in the case of most here - but part of what holds (and, even more, held) me back is simply bad attitude - apart from the more severely character disturbed described by George Simon, I'm sure there's quite a few who (like me) are simply a bit lazy, and/or consider themselves entitled at some level, and/or have some other narcissistic attitudes - and in reading through this book, various points hit home - helping me see that my own character, while not altogether rotten, is not nearly as good as I considered it to be.


In addition, of course, it helps with better understanding the mindsets behind crazy goings-on such as these involving seriously disturbed characters.
 
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Gertrudes

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Just want to echo others' sentiments on the importance of this book. I am nearly finishing and have found it, so far, the book that most helped me understand what really is going on on both a disturbed character's inner landscape, as well as a neurotic's. Perhaps at this moment I can simply understand this whole issue better, I don't know, either due to the book, my state of mind, or both, truth is that this book is being one of the most crucial readings I have made.

In fact, it has on several occasions left me fuming with pure, unadulterated anger! It was a good exercise in self containment as I can't simply throw a book against a wall while I'm on the tube (underground), but I can still discretely clench my teeth...
It simply describes to perfection a character that has strongly weighted in my life - my brother. Honestly, if people who are either normal or more on the neurotic side of the scale would read it, they would not only gain, through knowledge and understanding, a strong defense against abusive people, but also against themselves and a possible preponderance to neurotic behavior.

This is a fundamental book to help us understand the dichotomy of neuroticism versus character disorder, and where the difference really lies. My guess is that mostly everyone has a little bit of both, lying somewhere in the middle, whilst some people with greater disturbaces will tend to pend to the extreme of either side of the scale.

I found the writing style to be very clear and straight forward, providing the reader with a well defined, unambiguous message.

Psalehesost said:
In addition, of course, it helps with better understanding the mindsets behind crazy goings-on such as these involving seriously disturbed characters.

Completely agree.
 

Paragon

Jedi Council Member
Thanks for the suggestion Laura!

This is a fantastic book, only halfway though it and I've already benefited from the material!

It really helps one in a nuts and bolts way to observe pathological thinking and behaviour in the self and others. So in this regard, it's very helpful to those who struggle to connect the psychological with the esoteric, in day to day life.

The descriptions of neurotic and character disturbed individuals are gold in trying to work out my own thought processes and how to steer my way towards becoming a better person. It's straightforward and accessible, especially if you have been reading most of the material provided here.

A 'must buy', IMO :)

Edit- Added thanks
 

Jasmine

Jedi
Laura said:
Some very important observations from George Simon's new book "Character Disturbance". This book puts a lot of things about psychopathology into very plain terms with useful examples to make the points perfectly clear. It is useful not only for detecting pathological thinking in others, but for observing the self and inferring things about one's own core beliefs by one's behavior.

Thank you Laura. There's so much insight to be gained from the information you've provided in this post alone. I can't wait to get the book! It's on the must read list for sure.
 
Laura said:
Some disordered characters were truly raised in environments so impoverished in multiple dimensions that their beliefs about the nature of the world, and how to operate within it, understandably, became quite skewed. So, they developed patterns of thinking and attitudes that most responsible people don't share. {For example, the problems of Adult Children of Alcoholics. They really do NOT know what "normal" is.}

When I read 'Character Disturbance' I did not read the thread first, and I missed this important point Laura makes here about Adult Children of Alcoholics. I should have read ACOC first(having realized that all of the traits have been present at some point in my life), but I did not learn about that book until months after reading 'Character Disturbance'. When I read 'Character Disturbance' I could relate some traits to myself in many of the neurotic, disordered, and disturbed characters(although not matching any kind of checklist in full), and ended up confused and thinking I was disturbed.

I am sharing my experience with these two books so that maybe another person reading these won't go through the same confusion. Thinking I could be disturbed, I then stopped reading on the forum, doubting any ability to do the work because of being possibly pathological. After a few months I started reading and going on the forum again, and made some progress in identifying potential programs/traits/areas to work on.

Overall, 'Character Disturbance' is a great resource for understanding pathology. After my lack of knowledge when reading it the first time, and what that led to, I think I will need to re read this book.
 

Ennio

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For this week's MindMatters show we had a chance to talk with George Simon, and what a nice discussion it was! In addition to getting to delve into his work, we heard a good many of his own personal insights, pearls of wisdom and some of the conclusions he's come to about his research and his own learning and growth - which were all on great display. We hope that a lot of us get to listen to it and get something out of what was a great interview to start this new (and inherently challenging) year.

MindMatters: Dr. George Simon: The Character Disturbance Epidemic and What We Can Do About It


In 1996 Dr. George K. Simon wrote and self-published In Sheep's Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative People, almost single-handedly changing the 'self-help' landscape in the U.S. The book remains a best-seller. With decades of clinical research under his wing, Dr. Simon saw that a very large percentage of psychological and emotional issues people suffered from were due to the effects of the extremely manipulative individuals in their lives. Learning to recognize the signs and behaviors of such people would have to become a part of the process of not only protecting oneself from such persons, but also healing from their deleterious effects. Building on these insights, Simon went on to write Character Disturbance: The Phenomenon of Our Age, further explaining the gamut of what character-disturbed behavior looks like, both in others and in oneself.

This week on MindMatters we interview Dr. Simon about his work and the frameworks that have helped thousands to understand their relationships, as well as provided assistance for those wishing to look into the mirror of their own weaknesses, narcissism and failures of character - reminding us that while it's valuable to see the egregious behavior of others, it is also crucial to be able to recognize and correct our own failings.

Dr. Simon's website: drgeorgesimon.com

 

Seamus

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For this week's MindMatters show we had a chance to talk with George Simon, and what a nice discussion it was! In addition to getting to delve into his work, we heard a good many of his own personal insights, pearls of wisdom and some of the conclusions he's come to about his research and his own learning and growth - which were all on great display. We hope that a lot of us get to listen to it and get something out of what was a great interview to start this new (and inherently challenging) year.

MindMatters: Dr. George Simon: The Character Disturbance Epidemic and What We Can Do About It




I just saw the alert on youtube and I'm really looking forward to watching this! George Simon is one of my favorite authors on the recommended reading list, thanks guys :clap:
 
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