Benjamin
The Living Force
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“Genealogy is the study of families, family history, and the tracing of their lineages.” (Wikipedia)
I’d like to start this thread with an excerpt from this session:
Dream- Past Lives (c.2000)
I remember being semi-interested about my past lives and I think it was rather popular at the time. So, one evening before going to bed, I posed the request to see my past lives. I can’t remember if it was that night or a night soon after that I had a very short and slightly “foggy” dream that was sandwiched like a book on the shelf between other dreams. The scene in front of me was a muted grassy field with some leafy, green trees in a row and some bushes growing in a wild setting. The lighting was subdued like that of a cool, overcast sky. There was “a person” standing a little ways in front of me looking at me. Didn’t speak, didn’t move, and had no expression and yet was not “expressionless”. What this person was doing was morphing, very quickly, into all kinds of other people. Tall, short, fat, thin, huge beards, clean shaven, long hair, male, female, glasses, dresses, hats, aprons, trousers, you name it. Some of them, I think, held objects, like a hoe or pick maybe. All of them also seemed to be dressed like working-class people. That I recall, I didn’t see any (or perhaps very few?) white-collar clothes, but I could be wrong. The dream only lasted maybe 2-4 seconds and faded out even as the morphing continued. I didn’t recognize any of them. They were just people in period attire that you would see in the stores, houses, farms and on the streets of their time.
There is a very simple (and linear) equation that boggled my mind when I kept hitting the "equals" button:
You have: 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, 16 great-great-grandparents... etc.
Only 20 generations back (700-1000 years) you have 1,048,576 million people who made you.
That's just nutz!
In a nutshell, here is what I have:
My dad’s father’s line comes from Mecklenburg (English/German), Germany. For centuries, this line lived within a 10 km north-east to south-east fan from Wittenburg, Germany (about 60 km east of Hamburg, and not to be confused with (Lutherstadt) Wittenberg which is about halfway between Berlin and Dresden), in little towns and villages with the names Dreilützow, Bobzin, Harst and Parum dating all the way back to c.1610. This line is very interesting to me since there is a possible Polabian connection. The Polabians (Polaben) were a sub-tribe from the Obotrite (Abodriten) group of Slavic people that moved into Mecklenburg by following the Elbe (Labe in Czechia) river in the 6th-8th centuries. The Polabians were conquered by the Saxons and Danes by the 9th century, germanized by the 13th, and their (Lechitic) language completely extinct by the 18th century. However, evidence of this language still exists in the names of the cities and towns as well as a scant few other printed locations ("Vocabularium Venedicum" (1679–1719) by Christian Hennig; "Polabian-English Dictionnary" by Kazimierz Polański and James Allen Sehnert). There was also a fairly recent Polabian archaeological dig site just outside Wittenburg. (Documentary: “Die Slawen”) Directly in this family there are two Lutheran pastors, a Bäckermeister (master baker, in Rausdorf), a Ziegelmeister (master brick maker, in Hof Gallin but born in Bobzin), a Taglöhner (day labourer), a Schulmeister (schoolmaster), an Ader Gäden (vein/wood merchant?), a Schäfer (shepherd). There are others but I have no description of what they did.
There is a "possible" Jewish family that married into this main line (Levy, great-grandmother). I say “possible” because I don’t know if the line actually comes from the Caucuses or just adopted a Jewish name back in the day when it was a popular thing to do. I can’t go back very far at all with this line and am stuck in Altona, c.1800, although what I have uncovered are two instances of intermarriage.
My dad’s mother’s line comes from a town called Bardowick (English/German)just north of Lüneburg in Lower Saxony, Germay, back to c.1720. Directly in this line are two Schriftsezer (typesetter)/Buchdrucker (book printer), a Bahnwärter (signalman), a Landmann (farmer), and a Accisebeamten (tax official). There is a little booklet that we have that shows the history of this family. There were only two printed and were researched, printed and bound by my great-grandfather of this line. He had two daughters and he gave them each one as a gift. We may have the only copy left since the other daughter died (after a long life) and never married or had any children. In this book, the earliest member of this line (my 5th great-grandfather) fought in the Seven Years' War as a Hussar:
DeepL translation (I don't know how accurate this is): "In the Seven Years' War he served with the Hussars, came on his horse through the Elbe River and settled in Bardowick, where he later married." ("Im Siebenjährigen Kriege diente er bei den husaren, kam auf seinem Pferde durch die Elbegeschwommen und liefs sich in Bardowick nieder, wo er sich später verheiratet.")
In the same booklet, one of his son's (my 4th great-grandfather) is quoted of saying:
DeepL translation: "When he was asked about his heredity, he answered: "I am a child of the Hussars, I am in the mood for a fight!" ("Wenn er über seine Herkunst befragt wurde, antwortete er: "Ich bin ein Husarenkind, habe Lust zum Streit!"")
There was a daughter from another family from Schunkern (a (extinct?) village apparently near Memel (the old Teutonic Knight castle), now called Klaipeda (English/German) in the Baltic) who married the son that carried the name forward.
My mom’s father’s line is difficult. I can only go back to 1870 to Kisielowka (extinct village located about 14 km directly west of Volodymyr-Volynski, Ukraine). Documents are sparse at best but I don’t think they were in Volhynia long. This is the line that may come from Scottland/Ireland waaaay back based on the name. Farmers. Just farmers as far back as I can go. (This is the line where the story of Wanda comes from.)
My mom’s mother’s side is out of Weirzbie and Marcinow, both near Kutno, Poland, back to 1742. This is a Germanic line that may be out of Bavaria (based on the meaning of the name). This was a fun line because they were hiding under the very common Polish name Kurzawa for several generations. For a family to need an alias last name tells me something about the mindset of the place at that time. Again I have two instances of intermarriage. A document tells me they were “self-sustaining farmers”. Which is an interesting way of putting it and one possible reason why they needed an alias.
Cheers!
“Genealogy is the study of families, family history, and the tracing of their lineages.” (Wikipedia)
I’d like to start this thread with an excerpt from this session:
(L) Well, on an adjacent topic to DNA, I would like to know why I feel... Um... compelled or obsessed by my genealogy database. [laughter] I'm embarrassed to talk about it because it's taken SO much time, and yet it's like I WANT TO KNOW!
A: Keep in mind that there is a certain power transmitted by awareness of ancestors.
Q: (L) How can there be power transmitted by awareness of ancestors? They're dead, first of all. Second of all, maybe those that had the potential have reincarnated and would be living other lives in other places. Or they'd be floating around in 5th density or whatever dead ancestors do...
(Artemis) Well, in a roundabout way, it's almost like knowing about your past lives.
(Andromeda) Yeah.
A: Yes
Q: (L) So, knowing past lives is helpful. Knowing ancestors is helpful. Well, the ancients believed that if you remembered your ancestors, they helped you. If you didn't take care of them or you forgot about them, they could bring bad luck on you. Can it? [laughter]
A: Something like that. You can help to heal some things and draw strength via your DNA antennae which, you must remember, is also their DNA antennae.
Q: (Andromeda) Makes sense.
(Chu) You inherited their receivers.
(Andromeda) And you can learn things from their experiences thereby.
(Pierre) You were wondering about how you relate to them. They're dead, they're far away. Sharing the same DNA antennae, if we are connected via DNA to an information field, and you have other people with similar DNA connected to a similar part of the field, and time really doesn’t exist on other planes, then you can access these kinds of memories or information shared by ancestors...?
A: Exactly.
Q: (Pierre) Wow.
(Joe) There's also epigenetics...
(L) I keep saying that reading all this early American history tells me why Americans are the way they are. They are completely messed up. But then, so is everybody else!! It's terrible.
(Chu) Epigenetics is only about this life, right?
(L) Oh no! Oh no! Your parents can have methylation that gets passed on to you. All kinds of weird stuff can happen. You just would not believe it. So in other words, we're back to ancestor worship! [laughter]
(Artemis) Get some incense and a shrine!
(Pierre) Is one of the reasons for the importance of the cult of ancestors this relation to the information field via DNA?
A: Yes. They went a bit far with it and forgot why it was important.
Q: (Andromeda) Like Halloween.
(L) Yeah. It just got distorted. But then...
A: We keep telling you that we are you in the future. You are them in the future.
Q: (L) So, my present is their future.
(Andromeda) We're the Cs ancestors! [laughter]
(Artemis) They're honoring us!
(Joe) So, maybe some of your ancestors are on a Ouija board trying to contact you. They're trying to get some information.
(L) This is getting too weird... [laughter] So, it would be useful for people to at least know as many of their ancestors as they can possibly know?
A: Yes and some ancestors are stronger than others.
Q: (L) So, if you have a strong recent ancestor, that's pretty good. So, in a certain sense, you could tune in to your ancestors and derive strength from them? Kind of like... a choir of angels sort of thing?
A: Close but don't go all woowoo on us now!
Q: [laughter] (Joe) If you're gonna tune in to your ancestors, you better pick the right one. Don’t be pickin' that one guy...
(Andromeda) The cowboy?
(Joe) The one who never slept in a bed.
(L) Oh, you mean my wonderful ancestor Bone Mizell. Well, he's not exactly an ancestor. He's like first cousin 4 times removed or something. He was first cousin to my great-great grandmother. And what a character!
(Joe) Well, that's why if you're gonna commune with them, you have to know as much about them as possible. Know which ones you don't want to get any advice from.
Dream- Past Lives (c.2000)
I remember being semi-interested about my past lives and I think it was rather popular at the time. So, one evening before going to bed, I posed the request to see my past lives. I can’t remember if it was that night or a night soon after that I had a very short and slightly “foggy” dream that was sandwiched like a book on the shelf between other dreams. The scene in front of me was a muted grassy field with some leafy, green trees in a row and some bushes growing in a wild setting. The lighting was subdued like that of a cool, overcast sky. There was “a person” standing a little ways in front of me looking at me. Didn’t speak, didn’t move, and had no expression and yet was not “expressionless”. What this person was doing was morphing, very quickly, into all kinds of other people. Tall, short, fat, thin, huge beards, clean shaven, long hair, male, female, glasses, dresses, hats, aprons, trousers, you name it. Some of them, I think, held objects, like a hoe or pick maybe. All of them also seemed to be dressed like working-class people. That I recall, I didn’t see any (or perhaps very few?) white-collar clothes, but I could be wrong. The dream only lasted maybe 2-4 seconds and faded out even as the morphing continued. I didn’t recognize any of them. They were just people in period attire that you would see in the stores, houses, farms and on the streets of their time.
There is a very simple (and linear) equation that boggled my mind when I kept hitting the "equals" button:
You have: 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, 16 great-great-grandparents... etc.
Only 20 generations back (700-1000 years) you have 1,048,576 million people who made you.
That's just nutz!
In a nutshell, here is what I have:
My dad’s father’s line comes from Mecklenburg (English/German), Germany. For centuries, this line lived within a 10 km north-east to south-east fan from Wittenburg, Germany (about 60 km east of Hamburg, and not to be confused with (Lutherstadt) Wittenberg which is about halfway between Berlin and Dresden), in little towns and villages with the names Dreilützow, Bobzin, Harst and Parum dating all the way back to c.1610. This line is very interesting to me since there is a possible Polabian connection. The Polabians (Polaben) were a sub-tribe from the Obotrite (Abodriten) group of Slavic people that moved into Mecklenburg by following the Elbe (Labe in Czechia) river in the 6th-8th centuries. The Polabians were conquered by the Saxons and Danes by the 9th century, germanized by the 13th, and their (Lechitic) language completely extinct by the 18th century. However, evidence of this language still exists in the names of the cities and towns as well as a scant few other printed locations ("Vocabularium Venedicum" (1679–1719) by Christian Hennig; "Polabian-English Dictionnary" by Kazimierz Polański and James Allen Sehnert). There was also a fairly recent Polabian archaeological dig site just outside Wittenburg. (Documentary: “Die Slawen”) Directly in this family there are two Lutheran pastors, a Bäckermeister (master baker, in Rausdorf), a Ziegelmeister (master brick maker, in Hof Gallin but born in Bobzin), a Taglöhner (day labourer), a Schulmeister (schoolmaster), an Ader Gäden (vein/wood merchant?), a Schäfer (shepherd). There are others but I have no description of what they did.
There is a "possible" Jewish family that married into this main line (Levy, great-grandmother). I say “possible” because I don’t know if the line actually comes from the Caucuses or just adopted a Jewish name back in the day when it was a popular thing to do. I can’t go back very far at all with this line and am stuck in Altona, c.1800, although what I have uncovered are two instances of intermarriage.
My dad’s mother’s line comes from a town called Bardowick (English/German)just north of Lüneburg in Lower Saxony, Germay, back to c.1720. Directly in this line are two Schriftsezer (typesetter)/Buchdrucker (book printer), a Bahnwärter (signalman), a Landmann (farmer), and a Accisebeamten (tax official). There is a little booklet that we have that shows the history of this family. There were only two printed and were researched, printed and bound by my great-grandfather of this line. He had two daughters and he gave them each one as a gift. We may have the only copy left since the other daughter died (after a long life) and never married or had any children. In this book, the earliest member of this line (my 5th great-grandfather) fought in the Seven Years' War as a Hussar:
DeepL translation (I don't know how accurate this is): "In the Seven Years' War he served with the Hussars, came on his horse through the Elbe River and settled in Bardowick, where he later married." ("Im Siebenjährigen Kriege diente er bei den husaren, kam auf seinem Pferde durch die Elbegeschwommen und liefs sich in Bardowick nieder, wo er sich später verheiratet.")
In the same booklet, one of his son's (my 4th great-grandfather) is quoted of saying:
DeepL translation: "When he was asked about his heredity, he answered: "I am a child of the Hussars, I am in the mood for a fight!" ("Wenn er über seine Herkunst befragt wurde, antwortete er: "Ich bin ein Husarenkind, habe Lust zum Streit!"")
There was a daughter from another family from Schunkern (a (extinct?) village apparently near Memel (the old Teutonic Knight castle), now called Klaipeda (English/German) in the Baltic) who married the son that carried the name forward.
My mom’s father’s line is difficult. I can only go back to 1870 to Kisielowka (extinct village located about 14 km directly west of Volodymyr-Volynski, Ukraine). Documents are sparse at best but I don’t think they were in Volhynia long. This is the line that may come from Scottland/Ireland waaaay back based on the name. Farmers. Just farmers as far back as I can go. (This is the line where the story of Wanda comes from.)
My mom’s mother’s side is out of Weirzbie and Marcinow, both near Kutno, Poland, back to 1742. This is a Germanic line that may be out of Bavaria (based on the meaning of the name). This was a fun line because they were hiding under the very common Polish name Kurzawa for several generations. For a family to need an alias last name tells me something about the mindset of the place at that time. Again I have two instances of intermarriage. A document tells me they were “self-sustaining farmers”. Which is an interesting way of putting it and one possible reason why they needed an alias.
Cheers!