Fun with anti-depressants

I've recently been advised to go back on some meds (Wellbutrin and Gen-Mirtazapine) so I've been taking them for about a week now. Something rather odd happened a couple of nights ago.

I usually can't get to sleep only until early in the morning (think 4 or 5 am). At around 4 I took the Mirtazapine and was reading an article on James Casbolt's website http://www(dot).jamescasbolt.com/nsa.htm. I had drank some beer earlier, which is not recommended when taking these, but I figured there was little harm since most of the time there are no side effects.

This time was different however.

I finished reading and proceeded to turn off my computer and immediately became very paranoid and feeling watched. Outside my window there was a dull blue glow through the window curtains which unsettled me (I almost thought it was a UFO). There were noises as well. I figured it was the newspaper delivery guy since the lights seemed to disappear and I thought I heard a car go away. Aside from that I starting seeing black spots and things just felt...weird. I went to bed and tried to sleep but was very scared and paranoid. Also, I was continually hearing random sounds and clear, yet distant, voices in my head that were clearly not mine.

Closing my eyes I started seeing very vivid images and "movies" (I forget the technical term for seeing images and lights when you have your eyes closed...probably tied up with hypnogogic which I experience a lot, see the other recent post).

This is where it gets interesting.

I saw the top half of human male face staring right at me at one point. Then the face gracefully morphed into a Drachomonoid AKA Lizzie or Reptoid, with its eyes looking right at me. The face was like the one of one of Icke's books.

This, of course, was probably the thing that stuck out the most from my experience.

Generally it happens a lot that I get very scared and paranoid at night and when I'm alone in my room (I can't but feel I've been abducted as a young child even though I have no memory of such...except for one time where my wide open bedroom door slammed shut for no reason whatsoever). I definitely feel that someone else is there and fear opening my eyes and looking for fear of what I may see. And whenever I happen to be on Anti-Depressants these things get worse...the paranoia, the black spots, bizarre occurances, fear for my life, my body feeling like it's vibrating out of control and other weird energy/body sensations, being watched, especially the voices. The voices and other symptoms happen during the day as well, especially when I'm alone.

I've always had a distrust of meds, especially anti-depressants. I remember reading all sorts of stuff about them, how their Illuminati made to surpress our higher abilities and make us slaves (this does seem to have a grain of truth in it), how they mess up our DNA, their a precursor for the chips, etc. But with that Lizzie staring right at me? Well, now it's a whole new ballgame.
 
OPINMYND81 said:
And whenever I happen to be on Anti-Depressants these things get worse...the paranoia, the black spots, bizarre occurances, fear for my life, my body feeling like it's vibrating out of control and other weird energy/body sensations, being watched, especially the voices. The voices and other symptoms happen during the day as well, especially when I'm alone.
I only have ancedotal experience to work with, but this sentence alone indicates that you might need to, at the very least, stress to your doctor that the side effects of the medication are overshadowing any benefits that might result.
 
Anti-depressants = Brain Poison.

I know. Doctors have presribed me all kinds of this crap for nerve damage over the years, and I include the two prescriptions you named above.

Messes with your sleep patterns.
Messes with your ability to focus and concentrate.
Causes weight gain.
Causes inability to think straight - "zoning out".
You don't feel like "yourself".
Can cause weird eye twitches, loss of control/involuntary twitching of eye muscles.
Rapid heartbeat with some of these meds.
Can cause problems with elimination, digestive disturbance
General feeling of malaise.
Shaking of hands, trembling
Irritability
Loss of interest in doing things OR sometimes you become hyperactive on some of them and yes, paranoid.

When they don't know how to get rid of pain, they stick you with anti-depressants and they attempt to rid you of the PERCEPTION of pain.
Big difference.

Also, they lead people to believe that these poison crutches are necessary to "cope" with stress and anxiety.
I don't think so.
People might be surprised at how much they can cope with on their own.
Believe in yourself and not in the poison.

This is my experience.
 
I decided to take anti-depressants once (took them for about 6 months). I was very wary about it and talked to the person recommending them about my not wanting to do so. Overall, the meds (Zoloft) gave me a break from some of the anxiety and issues that seems to flood my mind or seemed to be unbearable at the time, which is why I sought help. Basically, I wouldn't recommend that a person take these meds because who really knows what they are doing to your brain/mind - researched it and no one really knows what the long term affects are, but for me they gave me enough of a pause to take the time to look at some issues and work through them. The use of the meds for me was beneficial when combined with regular doctors visits and discussions. One stipulation for taking the meds was that I couldn't drink for a month and then after only in moderation - maybe this was part of the pause that helped. If you are going to seek help and take the meds my recommendation would be to follow what the doctor ordered and not drink. They don't know what the meds do to you and sure don't know the impact of the addition of alcohol.
Also, I think what Anart said is good advice. You didn't say why you went on the meds. If it is because of a sense of dread or paranoia, seems the meds are opening you up to things that are down right scary and what you migth be seeking relief from.
 
The thing about taking anti-depressants is that they affect each person differently.
What may calm one person may cause quite the opposite effect upon another person.
And for at least some of these, you can't just stop taking them. You have to wean off of them if you've been taking them a while, or some very bad health problems could occur.
I read posts by people taking anti-depressants on some forum a few months back.
These people seemed to be completely hooked on taking these things.

This is the kind of stuff I was reading:
"I take "A" in the morning to clear the cobwebs and make me alert, and then around noon, I take "B" to settle my nerves, and then around 4 pm I pop two of "C" for an energy boost, and then at 8 I take "D" to relax me, and then at midnight, I eat "E" to go to sleep."

And this wasn't just one person. This was a whole forum of people comparing notes on their anti-depressants, listing how many of these pills they were popping a day, many were prescribed and taking multiple anti-depressants at the same time. They were also sharing the effects of this on their forum and almost all of them were issuing complaints on the forum about significant weight gain, loss of sleep or too much sleepiness, and the symptoms I listed above.
These people had been so convinced by their doctors that they NEEDED the pills just to get through their day, they didn't even TRY to cope with any of the stressors in their lives by themselves. They had decided that they needed not just one crutch, but several. Doctors push these pills too easily. Pharmaceutical companies are making a killing off these drugs.

When I sustained my nerve damage, they had prescribed me 5 different kinds of anti-depressants - each of which I was supposed to take every day. And I was told not to just stop taking them or I could go into seizures.
Some anti-depressants are supposed to help with nerve pain, but in my experience, they did not help.
In fact, they compounded the problem by giving me more ill health effects.
And the weight gain on these pills can be quite dramatic over a very short period of time.
Steady weight gain and even dietary changes don't work on many people, because they are still taking the pills while on the diet.
Think about it. Some of the posters on the forum I mentioned above were freaking out about their weight gain.
Others complained of constantly waking up in the middle of the night on these pills, or of being irritable and even more depressed.
Others were constantly being told their meds needed to be re-titrated to a new dosage.
And what struck me is that nobody seemed to be resolving their initial problem, the reason they began taking these chemicals in the first place. Instead, they were just prescribed more and more of the drugs.
One to bring you up, another to take you down, still another to calm and relax, another for pain,then another to go to sleep.

What do you think this kind of chemical cocktail does to the brain?
It eats brain cells. It creates an emotional flatline. No emotional highs, no emotional lows.
Or that's what the pills are supposed to do. They can affect every person differently.

Once, they put me on one of these drugs, and within two days, I was having seizures. The seizures didn't stop even after I quit taking the drug. They lasted for several weeks.

You just don't know how one anti-depressant drug will interact with another one on any given individual until the person takes them. And the ill effects may not surface immediately as in my case, but later down the line.
Once they get you hooked on these meds and thinking you NEED them to get through the day, it is very hard to get off of them and change that way of dependent thinking. And there are many doctors out there who encourage this dependence.
I went to the doctor for a physical problem. They treated my physical problem with anti-depressants.
Needless to say, there wouldn't have been any depression on my part if the physical problem had been corrected or relieved.
Instead, they tried to make me THINK I was getting pain relief via the drugs that alter perception, when in fact, I wasn't. And the more I told them the pills did not help, the more pills they prescribed, in higher dosages.
Face it, they cannot relieve all pain. They cannot fix all health problems. But there are other things one can do to cope with chronic pain or anxiety and depression that do NOT involve popping brain poison.

5 anti-depressants. Think about that.

How depressed does one have to be to require 5 anti-depressants simultaneously?
I said, the hell with this. I stopped taking them.

I find that my thinking is much clearer without them.
It's just not worth it (to me) to get hooked on this poison.
You don't know what problems might arise from taking them down the road.
I noticed too, in a neighbor of mine, that years of taking drugs like zoloft made her into a drug-seeking fiend.
She would CRAVE the Zoloft. Her days consisted of lying in bed watching TV and falling asleep.
Nothing phased her, her emotions were a flat-line - unless she ran out of zoloft.
She would panic when the pills began to get low. PANIC.
It was very, very sad to watch.
These chemicals create very strong psychological and very often, physical dependencies that are really hard to break.

The sad part is that there's no need to go there.
We can cope with life if we try, even though sometimes it's overwhelming.
And I say this from my own harsh past and present experience.
I would NEVER take another anti-depressant EVER again.

If you think they're really helping you, with all due respect, you're kidding yourself.
 
I know several people who had their lives ruined and their personalities completely altered by anti-depressants, one of whom was only given them as a sedative. Some of these people, with the hugest of personal struggles, have managed to recover afterwards to some degree.

OPINMYND81, if I was you, I would be doing some serious thinking right now. Maybe they are a help, but in many many cases they are dangerous beyond belief, and can hugely increase the personal struggle. Be very careful.
 
Lisa said:
Others were constantly being told their meds needed to be re-titrated to a new dosage. And what struck me is that nobody seemed to be resolving their initial problem, the reason they began taking these chemicals in the first place. Instead, they were just prescribed more and more of the drugs.
I agree and have seen this happen to family members. Without trying to get at the root of the issue that made a person seek help, no pill is going to help. At best, without a person actively searching within themself and using counseling and talking to others, they cover up and deaden the issue or issues and nothing is resolved or changes for the better.
 
My my, I certainly got the ball rolling didn't I?

And to think the only reason I bothered to post was cuz of the man morphing into the lizzie. Since I learned about lizzies on the Cassiopaea site, I never saw one myself, until the friendly pharmaceutical gave me a magic pill. That seems to almost confirm many suspicions that these drugs are from the "illuminati/brotherhood/dark evil orion empire confederacy" (I forget what name the 'bad guys' are called this time). What the role of the drugs are, to make us braindead slave zombies, to block access to higher senses, to mess up our DNA, to prevent us what going to 4D, or all of the above, in any case I don't know. But from what I've seen it do to many other people and from what I've read here...well, that speaks for itself.

I guess a bit of background is needed to give people the proper context...I'm not going to be heavy on the details for obvious reasons. I first started trying anti-depressants a little over 6 years ago, after taking a, shall we say, 'similar substance' at a rave. It was the first time in my life that I felt...well, free, at least emotionally free. To clarify, I finally felt happiness in a new way that I haven't felt in a long time, I felt normal and I didn't have crippling double depression (didn't know about it at the time) making my life a literal non-stop hell.

I was prescribed a couple of meds to try, I remember them celexa, wellbutrin, paxil. None of them worked, the celexa even gave me the side effect that was, um, how shall I put it? Well it gave Viagra a run for it's money, which was rather inconvinient given I was working at a kid's summer daycamp at the YMCA at the time!! :/

Needless to say the stuff never worked. I tried them again 2 years later (I forget which ones) and the results were lacking and not pretty either. There was a incident where I was in ottawa, I took too many, felt like I had a very odd 'abduction' experience or something. I woke up and some how managed to take the bus all the way back to Montreal, the thing is I have no recolection of how I managed to get back. I have vague memories of leaving the YMCA where I stayed and being friendly to people at my destination at the West island. In any case I did not feel in control of myself, almost either like my subconscious had taken over or something (or someone) else. When I reached my home, I was alone in my house and yet I heard my sister's voices but very faint.

I was living on cloud 9 for several days, high as a kite and happy as a clam. Then one night I took one of the pills and I felt like my heart was going at least 180 bpm. I panicked and thought I was going to have a heart attack and called 911. Turns out it was no biggy, the doctor let me go (which he probably shouldn't have). After that I kept getting heart palpatations and returned tot he hospital and stayed overnight. Turns out it was nothing but they sent to a psychiatrist anyway. Went to see him for several months but stopped cuz it was clearly a waste of time. The guy obviously didn't give a damn two ways from sunday. The Scientologists may be an evil satanic cult who believe psychiatrists are responsible for all the evils in the world, but I can't say I put psychiatrists on a pedestal either.

So ever since then I kept feeling like my heart would palpatate and go a mile a minute. One time I went to clinic while it was happening and they took my blood pressure and heart rate and....everything was fine. This confused the hell out of me.

The only conclusion I can reach is that it is my energy body inside of me that was vibrating like crazy. Whether it was due to the meds or for other emotinal reasons I don't know.

Earlier this year, for reasons I won't go into, I ended up at another psychiatrist who worked at the Allan Memorial Institute.

(as a side note: That name should ring a bell to those who read David McGowan's chapter on psychiatry in Politics of Illusion. If not just google that name plus "Ewan Cameron" and enjoy! Think MK Ultra meets Abu Ghraib lite. On a personal note, the place was creepy as hell, I would NOT want to spend a night there. It's got the Resident Evil mansion feel to it, not surprising given it's past. Oh and the place used to be called Ravenscroft, go figure. I couldn't have came up with a creepier name myself.)

They prescribed me the meds to take the edge off the double depression. It worked for awhile but I confused the results with something else and stopped taking them. Every now and then I get back into these horrible states that are, according a channeled entity, something like 13-15 on a scale of 1 to 10 of human tolerance of emotional strife (due to me allegedly attracting a great number of spirits who seek me out due to me being a Christian religious apostle in a past life or something like that). In any case it was recommended I go back on them to take the edge off of things, and it does seem to work.

For that I consider myself lucky compared to others, especially Lisa. But I do NOT want to take one more pill than I have to. The reason I don't seem to get hooked on these pills its probably due to my biochemistry and metabolism, I've never been addicted, nor have been able to get addicted, to any substance and usually drugs have a hard time working on me. Still I KNOW these things are bad news. So I will just use them while I get help outside of the meds, which is my plan all along. If the meds help take the edge off and the side effects are minimal than so be it. Since I already started taking them, it's a bad idea to be on and off like that.

I'll just keep these pills at bay and not get attached to them, never had any withdrawal from anything so I'm not worried about that. All they're for is taking the edge off while I pursue other therapies, and hopefully I won't need to take any more pills than need be.
 
ANTIDEPRESSANT FACTS
By Charly Groenendijk
Psychoactive substances, Serotonin and the Pineal Gland
Melatonin is not the only neurotransmitter made out of serotonin. Other serotonin derivatives which are psychoactive or mind altering are thought to be produced by the Pineal Gland. The necessary enzymes for the formation of these molecules exist in high concentrations in the Pineal Gland. By acute administration -either smoked or injected into the bloodstream- of one of these serotonin derivatives, also known as tryptamines, humans will experience an altered state of consciousness, which can differ from "hypnogogic dream-like states" to full blown "hallucinatory psychosis." It is recently thought that these molecules are responsible for our dream imagery. They are, just like melatonin, released at night, prior to REM-sleep and interact within the central nervous system. DMT (Di-Methoxy-Tryptamine) and 5-MeO-DMT (5-Methoxy-Tryptamine) are such tryptamines and serotonin derivatives. They can produce colour imagery, out of body(like) experiences, lucid dreams, visions of beings and/or animals, mystical states, subjective "other realities" as well as experiences of "being somewhere else." DMT and 5-MeO-DMT can be extremely frightening when smoked or injected for the first time.
Another psychoactive serotonin derivative produced by the Pineal Gland is called Pinoline, also known as 6-Methoxy-Tetra-Hydro-Beta-Carboline (6-Methoxy-THBC). Pinoline is not a tryptamine but a beta-carboline. It is similar to harmaline, an extract from the psychoactive plants Banisteriopsi Caapi and Psycotria Viridis in the Amazonian Rain Forest. Harmaline is the active ingredient in a psychedelic cocktail called "Ayahuasca." It is used by Indian tribes and shamans to communicate with the spirits telepathically while they "dream awake."
Also a very interesting molecule is Bufotenine, also known as 5-Hydroxy-Dimethyl-Tryptamine (5-HDT). Although bufotenine is both a serotonin derivative and a tryptamine it is not established yet if it is produced by the Pineal Gland. It also occurs naturally in humans but in very small amounts. In higher amounts it becomes highly toxic. Bufotenine also derives from the dermal substance of a toad. The Shamans of the ancient Maya ingested bufotenine on special ceremonies. It would turn the user into a "mouthpiece for the gods." The effects seem as being possessed by an evil spirit.

The Disrupted Serotonin Cycle & The Malfunctioning Pineal Gland
SSRI-AntiDepressants inhibit the re-uptake of serotonin into the firing synapse of the serotonergic neuron. As a result, more serotonin is fired continuously to the receiving dendrite which results in more serotonin in the synaptic cleft. Because of this continuous action, the natural cycle of serotonergic activity during daytime and serotonergic inactivity at night gets disrupted! Under the influence of the SSRI-AntiDepressant, the serotonergic system now works overtime, 24 hours a day. The implications of a disrupted serotonin cycle could be as follows:
What can happen, when the serotonergic system isn't cycling anymore, in a natural circadian rhythm, is that daily consciousness will shift closer and closer to the "dream state". The verge between reality and dreaming will gradually become blurred. The lack of rhythm is the cause. Under the influence of an SSRI-AntiDepressant, serotonin levels won't fluctuate anymore, but remain continuously high. Many SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported that they had problems to distinguish reality from dreaming when they woke up from a dream and that it took quiet some time to realize that they had been dreaming instead of experiencing something real.

Consciousness on the verge of Dreaming and Reality
We already know that an active serotonergic system suppresses REM sleep and thereby REM related dreaming. Our brains need to dream. Although we do not always remember our dreams, we are dreaming around 4 to 5 times every night. Only a few days of sleep deprivation (and thus dreaming) will cause the brain to hallucinate. To counteract the SSRI-AntiDepressant induced suppression of REM related dreaming, the brain litterly forces it's dreams upon us. This doesn't necessarily has to be a rebound of REM related dreaming triggered by the brainstem mechanisms (since an active serotonergic system suppresses these mechanisms), but could as well be induced by epileptic activity in the forebrain, triggering forebrain dreams or nightmares, as previously discussed. Most critical, when the normal brainstem REM mechanisms are not included in these forebrain dreams or nightmares, then they won't turn on the cells in the medulla that inhibit all motor activity. The implications of this contradictional dream sleep could be quiet dramatic.
Next to experiencing hallucinations, suppression of REM sleep can lead to an other serious disorder. On page 45 of her brilliant book "Prozac: Panacea or Pandora?", Doctor Ann Blake Tracy introduced us to the violent REM Sleep Behaviour Disorder, caused by psychoactive drugs such as SSRI-AntiDepressants. This condition means a sleepwalk nightmare wherein the patient acts out violent dreams while sleepwalking. The violent REM Sleep Behaviour Disorder is further discussed in chapter 7: "Sleep disorders, serotonin and the SSRI's" on page 182.
From SSRI-AntiDepressant induced "consciousness on the verge of dreaming and reality", it will be a very close step to SSRI-AntiDepressant induced "psychosis" or "hallucinatory psychosis", in which extremely lifelike dreams/nightmares become hallucinations and will be experienced for real! Many (former) SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported major perception changes, altered states of consciousness, a disturbed sense of reality and out of character behaviour. The symptoms vary from urges to spend money excessively, flamboyant/provocative behaviour, indifference and mania, till abnormal dream and thought patterns, racing thoughts, hearing voices or telepathic like thoughts and akathisia (an extreme mental state of inner restlessness). Also frequently reported is the feeling of living in a bubble, feeling possessed or living in a dream.
I questioned myself if it could be possible that the psychoactive serotonin derivatives, which are thought to be secreted by the Pineal Gland, could play a (secondary) role in these reported altered states of consciousness and behaviour. Under the influence of an SSRI-AntiDepressant, serotonin levels in the Pineal Gland could increase to excessive, possibly even toxic amounts. Although I had to revise my previous hypothesis regarding increased melatonin levels in the eyes (melatonin levels didn't increase under the influence of an SSRI-AntiDepressant), this time I found more support for the hypothesis that certain serotonin derivatives, like the psychoactive tryptamines DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and Bufotenine, could very well increase on account of an SSRI-AntiDepressant.
In an article published on the internet, Dr. Callaway states that the natural re-uptake of serotonin account for most of the inactivation of these psychoactive tryptamines. Blocking the re-uptake of serotonin, like SSRI-AntiDepressants do, could not only increase serotonin levels but also the levels of the other psychoactive tryptamines, whether or not secreted by the Pineal Gland. Furthermore, Dr. Callaway discusses the possible correlation between tryptamines and our dream imagery: "Since these same Psychoactive tryptamines occur in humans, it is possible that their activity may be promoted by the actions of endogenous beta-carbolines for normal psychological processes; e.g. the production of visual / emotive imagery in sleep. The periodic altering of consciousness in sleep may even be necessary for the maintenance of normal mental health, since only a few days of sleep deprivation will result in a seepage of hallucinatory phenomena into the waking state." -Tryptamines, Beta-carbolines and You. Dr J.C. Callaway, Dept. of Pharmaceutical Chemistry, University of Kuopio, Finland
An absolutely shocking discovery was the correlation between high serotonin levels in the Pineal Gland and certain mental disorders! During autopsy on recently dead mental patients, Giarmin and Freedman (see chapter 3.a.) discovered that the Pineal Glands of those who had suffered from specified mental disorders, showed a considerable excess of serotonin in their Pineal Glands. The average amount of serotonin found in the Pineal Glands of normal persons is about 3.14 to 3.52 micrograms per gram of tissue. One schizophrenic was found to have a Pineal Gland containing 10 micrograms of serotonin, around 3 times higher, while another patient, a sufferer from delirium tremens, had a Pineal Gland containing 22.82 micrograms of serotonin, around 10 times higher then the average amount!
This is a most interesting research contemplating the similarities between symptoms of schizophrenia or schizophrenic psychosis and SSRI-AntiDepressant induced perception changes, altered states of consciousness, disturbed sense of reality and out of character behaviour in severe cases. As a direct result from the actions of the SSRI-AntiDepressant (disruption of the natural serotonin cycle), serotonin levels in the Pineal Gland could gradually increase to excessive amounts comparable to the excessive amounts of serotonin in the Pineal Glands of recently dead mental patients. Hence, the production of psychoactive serotonin derivatives increases, which can lead to excessive amounts of these molecules in the brain. The combined effects of suppression of REM sleep, excessive amounts of serotonin in the Pineal Gland, as well as elevated levels of psychoactive serotonin derivatives, could make an individual experience hypnogogic dream-like states (which depersonalise an individual from their own emotions) to full blown "hallucinatory psychosis." ( A; B; C)

Tardive Dyskinesia & Parkinsonism
Other frequently reported neurological side-effects from SSRI-AntiDepressants, involving loss of motor control, are called Tardive Dyskinesia/Dystonia and Parkinsonism. Tardive Dyskinesia/Dystonia is the collective noun for various abnormal involuntary body movements like: tics and twitches in the face or/and around the eye, muscle spasms, muscle contractions in the neck, jaw, tongue, or/and shoulders and irregular jerking movements in body parts. Parkinsonism is a term used to indicate symptoms similar to those seen in Parkinson's disease like: apathy or indifference, tremors and muscle stiffness.
Dr. Joseph Glenmullen (Prozac Backlash) introduced us to these terms and defined them as related to damaged dopaminergic neurons in the limbic system. The SSRI-AntiDepressant induced increased serotonin would cause a down regulation of the neurotransmitter dopamine and therefore cause the same damage at dopaminergic neurons as observed with neuroleptic (anti-psychotic) treatment.
However, in 4 PubMed articles Tardive Dyskinesia and Parkinsonism are associated with disturbances of serotonin and melatonin secretion and a malfunctioning Pineal Gland. The represented cases involve neuroleptic-induced movement disorders related to Pineal Gland calcification. There were "significant differences between the severity of dystonic movements in patients with no Pineal Gland calcification and those with pathologically enlarged Pineal Gland calcification."
Could there be a similar existing pattern in (former) SSRI-AntiDepressant users? Further research will be needed to establish if (former) SSRI-AntiDepressant users who have more or less severe Tardive Dyskinesia/Dystonia and Parkinsonism, are actually suffering from a malfunctioning Pineal Gland, whether or not calcified. This research could involve measurements of plasma melatonin levels.

The Endocrine System
A malfunctioning Pineal Gland and disturbances in serotonin and melatonin secretion could also lead to excessively secreted hormones of the Endocrine System. Women who are experiencing side-effects after discontinuing their SSRI-AntiDepressant, mentioned a worsening of their problems around their ovulation period. Normally, the Pineal Gland releases melatonin to sedate the Endocrine Organs/Glands when they are too active or stressed. When this doesn't happen, because of the disturbed natural melatonin cycle, then the hormones of the Endocrine System which usually are released every period, could now cause problems.

Side-Effects: withdrawal or brain-damage?
SSRI-AntiDepressants certainly don't raise your serotonin levels in a gentle manner. They prevent serotonin from being removed from the synaptic cleft. As a result, a lot of excess firing takes place and therefore more serotonin remains in the synaptic cleft. In this manner, the (receiving) post-synaptic receptors get bombarded with serotonin. According to Gary Null, Ph.D., all this over stimulation causes a decrease in the number of post-synaptic receptors. Depending on the intensity and duration of blocking re-uptake, around 30% to 40% of the post-synaptic receptors will be eliminated (Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of Prozac, would knew about the disappearance of receptors from their laboratory experiments). It is not established whether or not receptors ever come back after discontinuing an SSRI-AntiDepressant. The damage may be permanent or not.
Apparently this is not the only neuro damage caused by SSRI-AntiDepressants. In a recent study, researchers saw marked changes in the axon terminals (nerve endings) of serotonergic neurons in rats, treated with SSRI-AntiDepressants. The terminals shrivelled or took on corkscrew shapes. These changes were similar to those observed with the serotonin booster drug "Ecstasy" (MDMA). In studies with baboons who were treated with Ecstasy, researchers used Positron Emission Tomography (PET) to take brain scans of them. The researchers found that Ecstasy was toxic to the brain and damaged the axon terminals (nerve endings) of serotonergic neurons. This damage was still present in the baboons 7 years after discontinuing the drug. Later studies in humans who had used Ecstasy, documented the same damage at serotonergic neurons as observed with the baboons. Likewise, the SSRI-AntiDepressant induced brain damage observed in the rats, could be present in humans as well.
Previously we discussed that an SSRI-AntiDepressant induced hyper-active serotonergic system, could lead to disruption of the circadian (daily) serotonin cycle and excessive amounts of serotonin in the Pineal Gland. Another dangerous situation occurs when a hyperactive serotonergic system causes a condition called the "Serotonin Syndrome." This is a serious life threatening condition which needs immediate and adequate treatment.
An under-active serotonergic system will be a result of (1)the damaged axon terminals at the firing part of the serotonergic neuron and/or (2)the eliminated receptors at the dendrites of the receiving part of the serotonergic neuron. When discontinuing an SSRI-AntiDepressant, serotonergic activity dramatically decreases because the neurons aren't able to communicate properly with each other anymore. As a result of this decreased serotonergic activity, side-effects occur, which are falsely defined as "withdrawal side-effects."
Sensory Disturbances
Some of these side-effects are the frequently reported electrical shocks, zaps or shivers through the head (brain) and/or body, light flickering in the head, "falling into walls" along with "pins and needles" in the skin. Sometimes these phenomena are so severe that the individual who's experiencing them, feels very confused or like being on the verge of blacking out, losing consciousness.
It's striking how consciousness seem to be involved in these "sensory disturbances." I was thinking about an indirect neuronal mechanism, responsible for these phenomena. Serotonin is an inhibitory neurotransmitter. An under active serotonergic system would not inhibit other neurotransmitters anymore, like dopamine, or acetylcholine released by the cholinergic neurons in the brainstem (which are responsible for the extreme rebound of REM dreams when discontinuing an SSRI-AntiDepressant). Hence, these neurons would start to fire excessively, causing the side-effects as described above.
Another explanation could be that the serotonergic neurons are excessively firing their impulses through the axon to the axon terminals and synapses, as a compensatory mechanism for the loss of electrochemical activity in the synaptic cleft. In this manner, serotonergic electrochemical bursts of discharges would take place in the brain. Both examples of excessive electrochemical activity in the brain could be defined as epileptic activity. (see chapter 2.a. (3)Forebrain Nightmares and Forebrain Seizures)

Epileptic Activity
One reason why these "sensory disturbances" side-effects are not recognized as epileptic activity, could be because they are not the full blown epileptic seizures that we know of and which are visible to others. As a matter of fact, epileptic activity can occur as petit mal seizures called "absences." Absences are blanks in the short-term memory that remain invisible to the observer. Researchers Hutt and Gilbert of the University of Keele in England, performed tests on children with epilepsy, in which they were using stroboscope flashlights. It occurred that 18 flashlights per second induced these absences in epileptic children.
This reminded me of the problems which some former SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported that they had with flashing sunrays through the trees when passing them in a car, or that they were forgotten that they were doing something in the midst of the process of doing it. Could these problems, as well as the other side-effects, be related to epileptic activity, possibly in the forebrain? Some SSRI-Antidepressant users were even more less fortunate, they developed full blown epileptic seizures whilst taking the drug, which remained after discontinuation.
Another factor in epileptic activity could be a malfunctioning Pineal Gland. In 3 PubMed articles the Pineal Gland, as well as it's neurohormone melatonin are discussed in relation to epileptic seizures. Significant changes were found in "day-night melatonin levels during convulsions, consistent with the hypothesis that melatonin has an inhibitory function on central nervous system activity." (1) Patients with epileptic seizures had "a significantly lower urinary secretion of melatonin, which may indicate that melatonin has a protective effect on seizures" (2) and the Pineal Gland and melatonin "exert a major influence in the control of brain electrical activity and have been shown to be involved in seizure and sleep mechanisms." (3)
My particular attention got attracted by the Pineal Gland as a magneto sensitive organ. Former SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported that the electrical shocks, zaps or shivers through the head (brain) and/or body, as well as the light flickering in the head, increased in severity when working behind a computer monitor. Computer monitors are known to radiate low frequency electromagnetic waves. Knowing that electromagnetic fields (EMF) affect serotonin, melatonin and the Pineal Gland, these electromagnetic waves could therefore trigger epileptic activity by altering the functions of the Pineal Gland. Here is a field of research to establish if these post-SSRI-Antidepressant side-effects are indeed epileptiform of nature and if forebrain seizures -whether serotonergic, dopaminergic or cholinergic- as well as the Pineal Gland are involved.

Hypoglycaemia (Low Blood Sugar)
Ramo Kabbani, the Director of the Prozac Survivors Support Group (PSSG) in England, developed seizures within a month of going on Prozac. She had four EEGs, three of which proved abnormal but inconclusive. This means that there was some minor abnormality there, but they did not know what was causing it and they didn't bother investigating it further. Remember the case of Epstein and Ervin (see chapter 2.a. (3)Forebrain Nightmares and Forebrain Seizures) in which EEG also revealed a poorly defined spike focus in a woman who was experiencing seizures.
An interesting fact that Ramo discovered was, that every time when she had a seizure or a zap, her sugar levels plummeted to extremely low levels. Other (former) Prozac users that have been having seizures and zaps, who contacted the help line of the PSSG in England, have all found that they have low blood sugar levels. Low blood sugar, or low blood glucose, occurs when blood levels of glucose drop too low to fuel the body's activity. This condition is called "Hypoglycaemia," when the body isn't able anymore to maintain normal levels of glucose in the bloodstream. Glucose levels are determined by how fast glucose enters and leaves the bloodstream. When glucose leaves the bloodstream it enters the brain, which needs a constant supply of it to function properly.
In other PubMed articles the involvement of the Pineal Gland was discussed in the regulation of glucose metabolism in the brain (1; 2). In animal studies the Pineal Gland's neurohormone melatonin was found to significantly increase both brain and blood levels of glucose i.e. by enhancing carbohydrate metabolism into glucose (1; 2). Previously I mentioned that Doctor Tracy has taught us that an increase in serotonin, produces rushes of insulin, dropping sugar levels and chemically inducing hypoglycaemia (low blood glucose) in this way. In another animal study published at PubMed it was found that insulin-induced hypoglycaemia also affected the Adrenal Glands and caused a dramatic decrease of serotonin in the Pineal Gland. (1) This could lead to disturbances in melatonin secretion after which blood glucose levels can fall even lower.
Epilogue
Whether or not the function of the Pineal Gland gets affected by SSRI-AntiDepressants, either owing to a metabolic deficiency, or damaged serotonergic nerve terminals and receptors, or as a result of a hyperactive serotonergic system, needs to be established. A malfunctioning Pineal Gland could lead to disturbances in the natural circadian rhythm of melatonin secretion, as well as disturbances in glucose metabolism in the brain and an overall decrease of brain and blood levels of glucose. Hence, the natural defence to epileptic activity in the brain will fall off, as well as the natural defence to a hyperactive Endocrine System.
Facts tell it ALL
SSRIs - Poisoning In the Womb PMID: 15233148 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
February 9, 2006. By Evelyn Pringle

New research has linked the use of SSRIs during pregnancy to a complication in newborns of a rare but life-threatening lung problem, according to this month's New England Journal of Medicine. Infants born to women who took the drugs in the second half of their pregnancy, had 6 times the risk of developing the disorder, the researchers reported.
Only a couple of days ago on February 7, 2006, WebMD reported a new study from Israel, in which about one out of three newborns exposed to antidepressants in the womb showed signs of neonatal drug withdrawal, which included high-pitched crying, tremors, and disturbed sleep.
The Israel study involved 60 newborns whose mothers took SSRIs throughout their pregnancies and reported that 18, or 30%, of the newborns showed signs of drug withdrawal after birth, and in eight cases the symptoms were considered severe.
But then what's new? A study conducted a year ago at a University in Spain determined that, "drugs known as selective reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) can cause convulsions, irritability, abnormal crying and tremors."
For this study, researchers accessed the World Health Organization's database on adverse reactions and withdrawal symptoms in infants associated with the use of SSRIs from 72 countries, according to the February 15, 2005, Epoch Times
"Risks of neonatal convulsions and neonatal withdrawal syndrome seem to be increased with all SSRIs," said Professor Emilio Sanz, the leader of the study, of the University of La Laguna in Tenerife.
In February 2004, another study reported that "first-trimester use of SSRIs has been associated with higher rates minor physical anomalies and miscarriages, thus suggesting possible early effects of SSRI exposure on embryonic development," according to Maternal Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, Philip Sanford Zeskind, PhD and Laura E Stephens, Pediatrics Vol 113 No 2 February 2004, pp. 368-375.
The same study said that third-trimester use off SSRIs has been associated with lower gestational age, low birth weight, higher rates of neonatal intensive care unit admissions. A 2004 study in France published in Prescrire Int. 2004 Jun;13(71):103-4, in summary reported:
(1) Newborns exposed to SSRI during pregnancy show signs of agitation, altered muscle tone, and breathing and suction problems.
(2) symptoms have been noted with all five SSRI antidepressants.
(3) 20% to 30% of newborns are affected.
(4) The symptoms are variously attributed to withdrawal or to the drug itself. (5) doctors should be aware of this risk when considering antidepressant treatment for women in the third trimester of pregnancy.
Doctor notes: Crespi switched to Prozac before daughters killed
Associated Press, March 11, 2006
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - A bank executive charged with the murder of his twin 5-year-old daughters switched antidepressant medications two weeks before the killings, according to a doctor's notes that were made public Friday.
The notes, written by a doctor caring for Crespi at the Mecklenburg County jail three days after the January killings, were shown to a judge who later decided to have Crespi moved to the state's prison hospital in Raleigh under a suicide watch. Crespi faces first-degree murder charges in the Jan. 20 stabbing deaths of daughters Samantha and Tessarra at the family's home in the south Charlotte suburbs. Prosecutors have not yet said whether they intend to seek the death penalty. David Crespi's father and wife have said he suffered from depression.
The doctor notes were made part of Crespi's case file Friday by Judge Karl Adkins, at the request of The Charlotte Observer. According to the notes, Crespi had been taking the medication Paxil, but it was causing him to gain weight, so he switched to Prozac. The notes say Crespi had a long history of depression and had contemplated suicide three times since 1995. The notes describe Crespi as in "constant suicidal thought" on the day of the examination. Prosecutors opposed the release of the notes, but Crespi's defense lawyer did not.
Just couple of words: Blessed you are if you have a depression, no matter how harsh i may sound(sorry for that)! That means imo that you progressed in Work. I daily welcome that damn depression, but so far i'm where i am, at level zerro.
I never required antidepressants and never will use them no matter how down i would feel. Actually a far better alternative to Big Pharma antidepressant medication imo is a walk with your doggy (mine - a collie called Ayan) in a forest if you have one nearby, better if there are a lot of pine-trees there, a warm aroma bath before going to sleep, a favourite soundtrack you lesten to while relaxing in bed and a juniper pillow to witness your daily ninnananna dreams.
 
CarpeDiem said:

"Actually a far better alternative to Big Pharma antidepressant medication imo is a walk with your doggy (mine - a collie called Ayan) in a forest if you have one nearby, better if there are a lot of pine-trees there, a warm aroma bath before going to sleep, a favourite soundtrack you lesten to while relaxing in bed and a juniper pillow to witness your daily ninnananna dreams."
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Exactly....:-))))
.....whatever a ninnananna dream is.

Lisa
 
Unfortunately even our best medical technology is still back in the Stone Age whether we like to think it is, or not. Most modern medical approaches are similar to breaking an egg with a hammer. I don't think that will ever improve until we start to integrate all that psychic and energy stuff in with our 'hammer to the egg' scientific approach.

I've never been able to figure out why some people have such utter faith in modern medicine when its seems to be still so back in the Stone Age (i.e. treating symptoms rather than causes). And then there are the people who go out of their way to avoid all 'modern' medicine at any cost. This does them no more good than it does the 'believers' who put their all their faith in a pill....
 
Ruth said:
Unfortunately even our best medical technology is still back in the Stone Age whether we like to think it is, or not. Most modern medical approaches are similar to breaking an egg with a hammer. I don't think that will ever improve until we start to integrate all that psychic and energy stuff in with our 'hammer to the egg' scientific approach.
Couldn't agree more, in fact, the only REAL progress I made was through the 'psychic and energy stuff.' The whole 'take pills' approach obviously doesn't work since it doesn't even go near the core issue. Psychoanalysis and therapies like that, which are considered on the fringe of western allopathic medecine, are more useful and do heal but are veeeeery slow (not to mention expensive). Generally, they seem to be rather ineffective, at least from my experience.

I did see an 'energy therapist' who graduaded from the Barbara Brennan school of energy healing. I have mixed feelings about that experience as well. I didn't really feel their was progress there, but I could be wrong.

The only really impressive therapy that has helped me has been a mixed form of therapy that uses the psychic and energy modalities among others. EFT, past-life regression, attached spirit release, channeling and energy work among other therapies, have seem to have a greater effect on me than meds and traditional therapy. Then again that's probably just me, different strokes for different folks. I say, whatever works, if it gives you good results, then that's that.

Ruth said:
I've never been able to figure out why some people have such utter faith in modern medicine when its seems to be still so back in the Stone Age (i.e. treating symptoms rather than causes). And then there are the people who go out of their way to avoid all 'modern' medicine at any cost. This does them no more good than it does the 'believers' who put their all their faith in a pill....
Yep, the $64,000 question. If anything, in some respects, the Stone Age probably was better than today cuz the shamans had better understanding of reality and what makes us tick. I'm not going to be a dumb luddite and completely dismiss modern medecine since that's the wrong way to look at things for obvious reasons. But I agree, the complete and total faith in modern medecine is unwise yet virtually omnipresent. Partly because the majority of people simply accept whatever is presented to them, others simply trust authority, others cuz they got convinced by it and other because they got the results they sought. And of course there's that desire to have the easy fix symbolized by the pill.

I had a class on Public Relations and it was taught by a woman who was head of PR for Pzifer or one of those companies. She was quite convinced of the goodness of her company and its product, and of course she needed to be otherwise she wouldn't have the job she has now.

Of course modern medecine is predicated on the 'treat symptoms' foundation. Simple economics really, if you treat the 'cause' you shrink the 'market' i.e. potential clientele, whereas if you treat the symptom you have a repeat customer! Isn't rational capitalism grand? I worked once at a pharmaceutical information company once and it was responsible for countless pharmaceutical clients. I had to verify information to make sure that these companies can send samples to docs and nurses in the states. Needless to say, I was a bit morally uneasy about the whole thing, but it just goes to show that this is a multi-billion dollars a year industry if not more. It's unlikely it will be changing its game anytime soon.

Anyway, we can talk about and poke holes at modern medecine to fill tomes so I'm going to leave it at that!
 
Doctors prescribing antidepressants said:
NewsTarget.com

According to Dr. Yolande Lucire, a forensic psychicatrist based in New South Wales, Australia, doctors are giving children younger than 1 year of age prescriptions for atypical antipsychotics -- a class of narcotics used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar mania, psychotic agitation and other similar conditions.
In an email to Alliance for Human Research Protection President Vera Hassner Sharav, Lucire, published on the AHRP web site, Lucire says that she is taking kids under her care off of atypical antipsychotic medications.
"Not one met the criteria for schizophrenia when these drugs were started," Lucire says in the email. She added that the patients "often got psychosis on antidepressants given for anxiety, or substance induced disorders."
While Australia is the second largest consumer of psychotropic drugs, according to Sharav, it still takes a back seat to the United States. Sharav reports that the alliance obtained the New Jersey Medicaid record of psychotropic drugs prescribed to more than 39,000 children aged 0 to 18. They found that most of the drugs were prescribed for off label use, i.e. a condition for which the drug was not originally designed. Also, the reports indicated that the antidepressant Effexor and antispsychotics such as Risperdal are being prescribed to children younger than 1; antipsychotics like Seroquel are being prescribed to 2-year-olds; and .05 milligram to 20 milligram doses of the antipsychotic Risperdal are being prescribed to 3-year-olds.
"Is this what 'leave no child behind' is all about?" said Sharav on the AHRP web site.
Predictably, the children on these drugs (and some who have stopped taking them) are displaying horrifying side effects. Lucire reports patients who are "punch drunk with dementia," occasionally psychotic and showing signs of akathisia, or an inability to sit still. Additionally, Lucire noted she had observed hyperactivity, aggression or hostility, and cognitive impairment, along with tardive dyskinesia, a neurological disorder brought on by long-term use of, or high-dose exposure to, drugs that block dopamine receptors. Repetitive, involuntary and purposeless movements characterize the condition.
If these side effects were not disturbing enough, a Duke University study suggested that the drug class might be connected to pancreatitis. Worse, some patients -- adults and children -- are reporting cases of type 1 and type 2 diabetes, as well as hyperglycemia in connection with use of atypical antipsychotics, with some cases ending in death. The condition seemed to affect mostly young, male patients.
The link between diabetes and the atypical antipsychotics is thought to stem from the weight gain reported by some users of the drugs. Some patients have said they gained as much as 65 pounds, and subsequently developed diabetes or glucose abnormalities. This has caught the attention of the FDA, which is waiting on a Veterans Administration analysis before deciding whether to put a warning label on the drugs, according to a spokesperson. Some atypical antipsychotics already carry such labels in Japan and Europe.
 
Excellent :( Doctors without conscience (or medical knowledge apparently) prescribing these type of drugs to infants and young children for financial gain, and parents who do what the doctor tells them because they have no mind of their own to think and research. Children will always pay the sins of their idiot parents.
So they will change the labels. Because if it's not on the label it means it's ok... Common sense is dead.
 
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