Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Gawan

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thank you very much

Welcome excucassy, seeing this is your first post on the forum, we would appreciate it if you would post a brief intro about yourself in the Newbies section, telling us how you found this forum, how long you've been reading it and/or the SOTT page, whether or not you've read any of Laura's books yet, etc.
 

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The dictionary I cite is based on "awake dreaming", which is not about dreaming while sleeping, and is used as "Active imagination" in the Jung sense, but we learn that Jung was not very the kind of person we wish to follow, so you're right in saying that there is webs of illusions lurking around and interpreting it could be quite dangerous. I do EE, and I had some sort of imagery too, two days ago I clearly see "awake" a little castle, which indicates that I deeply protect myself from fears, or that "something" is lying to me, and I believe all these crap (and I think this is more accurate).
Sorry to mislead you, I'm caught up in my own illusions and egoic symbolism, moving on will be a new breaze I hope. Just have to support the anguish of the lockdown, thank you for your encouragement, I'll just stop "imagining things" and focus on reality.

No problem nico, you try to help me and bring me some insight, this is a good thing, I don't blame you at all ! Thank you for sharing ! It's a good thing that you're going back to practicing EE, one day you'll get out of the trap of the mind you think you're in. Keep helping you !
 

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I think we only can guesstimate what it may have been. Regarding the warmth, it could have something to do with the bioenergetic breathing and could be a result that some (emotional) energy was released. To the appearance, it is really hard to tell and may could have been a result of thinning of the veil? Did you experience any other weird stuff recently or was it just a one time experience?

Maybe it's a result of thinning of the veil as you said. I already experienced the warmth indeed. Moreover from time to time, I experience warmth on some areas of my body without any physiological cause I can find, it can be on the leg, it can be on arm, face, foot etc.. I use to use my hand to feel the area and this is really a strange feeling, but who knows, our body is maybe preparing area by area ? this is just an Idea, I'm totally ignorant here
 

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At the end of POTS, I opened my eyes, slowly got up from my bed and started to see white flashes as if I had strobes in my eyes that were lighting up the room. This lasted about ten seconds and disappeared.

If you search this thread for "white light" that will bring up quite a few cases of people having similar experiences to what you describe, at least as far as the flashes of light go.

Here's an older post that I came across while looking for what you were describing that gives some info as to what's possibly going on:

I just want to jump in here about the lights people are seeing. These are actually a normal part of the process, and in fact, they're the first stage in altered states of consciousness, i.e. shamanic "hallucinations". David Lewis-Williams talks about these universal experiences in his book The Mind in the Cave. He calls these lights "entoptic phenomena". He writes:

Lewis-Williams said:
The exact way in which entoptic phenomena are 'wired into' the human nervous system has been a topic of recent research. It has been found that the patterns of connections between the retina and the striate cortex (known as V1) and of neuronal circuits within the striate cortex determined their geometric form. Simply put, there is a spatial relationship between the retina and the visual cortex: points that are close together on the retina lead to the firing of comparably placed neurons in the cortex. When this process is reversed, as following the ingestion of psychotropic substances, the pattern in the cortex is perceived as a visual percept. In other words, people in this condition are seeing the structure of their own brains.

In addition to psychotropic substances, this process occurs during meditation/dissociation (i.e. it is helped along with trance-inducing activities like drumming, dancing, chanting, as well as sensory-deprivation, physical discomfort, etc.).
 

Abats

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@A Jay

Thank you for this indication, I'm gonna search more of the forum and outside. I just find an interesting book explaining the phenomena titled " Psychedelic information theory " Entoptic and Eidetic hallucinations are well explained !
 

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Thanks but I'm not sure we are using 'zoning out' to mean the same thing.

I was trying to say that when I start the POTS I am paying close attention to it; listening intently, if you will. However, I inevitably start losing concentration and start thinking about all sorts of random things. I have thought that this was mental chatter e.g. "What shall I eat tomorrow?", "What shall I do after this?", and so on. Sometimes my imagination goes off into unexpected places and I start imagining little stories and scenarios in my mind that play out like a little, well, play.

After a while I will notice that I am not consciously following along with what Laura is saying and what it means and I will re-dedicate my attention to it. Sometimes I have more success with that than at other times.

I had assumed that one should listen intently to what Laura is saying, think about the significance of it both as an individual line and its part of the whole and to try to 'feel' that meaning as fully as possible. My thought has been that I would get more out of POTS by doing this rather than just listening to it and allowing my concentration to wander wherever it wants.

Now, however, I am wondering if I should allow that to happen and let Laura's words wash over me without trying so hard to pay attention at all times.

I would be glad of further guidance in this respect :-) .
 

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Thanks but I'm not sure we are using 'zoning out' to mean the same thing.

I was trying to say that when I start the POTS I am paying close attention to it; listening intently, if you will. However, I inevitably start losing concentration and start thinking about all sorts of random things. I have thought that this was mental chatter e.g. "What shall I eat tomorrow?", "What shall I do after this?", and so on. Sometimes my imagination goes off into unexpected places and I start imagining little stories and scenarios in my mind that play out like a little, well, play.

After a while I will notice that I am not consciously following along with what Laura is saying and what it means and I will re-dedicate my attention to it. Sometimes I have more success with that than at other times.

I had assumed that one should listen intently to what Laura is saying, think about the significance of it both as an individual line and its part of the whole and to try to 'feel' that meaning as fully as possible. My thought has been that I would get more out of POTS by doing this rather than just listening to it and allowing my concentration to wander wherever it wants.

Now, however, I am wondering if I should allow that to happen and let Laura's words wash over me without trying so hard to pay attention at all times.

I would be glad of further guidance in this respect :-) .
One thing you could try is to occupy your mind with something, like counting. That will split off a bit of your attention towards that task, and it should be a bit easier to direct the rest of your attention to the words. Or you could make sure to have your inner voice recite the prayer along with the recording. Basically, instead of letting your mind do its own thing, give it a task.
 

Matthew

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One thing you could try is to occupy your mind with something, like counting. That will split off a bit of your attention towards that task, and it should be a bit easier to direct the rest of your attention to the words. Or you could make sure to have your inner voice recite the prayer along with the recording. Basically, instead of letting your mind do its own thing, give it a task.

So you agree that it is best to be 'fully present' then?

I do use my own inner voice to recite the prayer along with Laura when I do POTS so am glad that you suggested that. It sounds like I am on the right track.

My thinking was that the more one puts into it the more one gets out of it rather than just listening to it without paying attention and expecting it to be a magic potion that will make everything hunky-dory. Or as Laura might say: "There's no such thing as a free lunch!".
 

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So you agree that it is best to be 'fully present' then?

I do use my own inner voice to recite the prayer along with Laura when I do POTS so am glad that you suggested that. It sounds like I am on the right track.

My thinking was that the more one puts into it the more one gets out of it rather than just listening to it without paying attention and expecting it to be a magic potion that will make everything hunky-dory. Or as Laura might say: "There's no such thing as a free lunch!".
It's probably different from person to person, but for me I try to be fully present, and then at some point I may just zone out. So basically, effort, but with the openness to entering a more passive state if that's what comes naturally.
 

Matthew

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It's probably different from person to person, but for me I try to be fully present, and then at some point I may just zone out. So basically, effort, but with the openness to entering a more passive state if that's what comes naturally.

Thanks, I'll keep on keeping on then whilst keeping an eye on how any zoning out affects things.
 

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No problem nico, you try to help me and bring me some insight, this is a good thing, I don't blame you at all ! Thank you for sharing ! It's a good thing that you're going back to practicing EE, one day you'll get out of the trap of the mind you think you're in. Keep helping you !
I experience much of these illusions in my life, back to the day I was trying to do lucid dreaming, and practicing "mind exercice", to when I read the Wave. I made an "heavy" dream one time where I woke up from my bed going to the window and seeing the cassiopaea constellation in the sky surrounded by a purple light, and suddenly a little flying saucer flew to me stucking on my wrist, I had a backward movement to get rid of it. And now and then I sense these illusions are forced upon me with some purpose and "meaning", and I'm sure there is a lot of book that tried to make sense of this crap. But there's no true sense, this is just a hyperdimensional mouse trap, and if it's followed it surely lead oneself into the awful mouth of charybde. There's surely a preexisting condition which might or not be connected to childhood and past trauma, but which is hidden by this enforcing of BS, like a short-circuit leading to STS feedback. When the mind is stressed it can go in all sort of hallucinations easily, and Eiriu Eolas is bringing up a lot of stress which might be not digest by everyone in the same way. "Pornography" is what comes to my mind for these illusions because I think it used the same reward pathway in the brain to be addicted to emotional energies like these illusions are feeding off me, the term "fear porn" was used to described the coronavirus propaganda and it's certainly quite telling. Don Juan in castaneda's book said that emotional discovery stands for nothing in the growth of in seeing the unseen. I'm terrible at connecting dots and it feels like I'm just justifying being sorry for myself through me "helping" you.
Okay enough of pseudo self-justification, I could go on for days with this salad...

The Wim Hof method also activates "stroboscopic lights" : Week 3 - Day 1 - 'Seeing the light(s)'

One thing you could try is to occupy your mind with something, like counting. That will split off a bit of your attention towards that task, and it should be a bit easier to direct the rest of your attention to the words. Or you could make sure to have your inner voice recite the prayer along with the recording. Basically, instead of letting your mind do its own thing, give it a task.

I tried EFT when emotions are too strong while lying down in EE, and now I "tap" while during EE because my mind need a combination of both. Tapping occupy and fix a part of my mind while the rest of it beam like a laser to erase all the tatooed emotional programs. EFT on it's own missed the power of the pipe breathing.
 

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and now I "tap" while during EE because my mind need a combination of both. Tapping occupy and fix a part of my mind while the rest of it beam like a laser to erase all the tatooed emotional programs.

Do you mean you tap on a table, sort of like drumming? My first thought is that it would be more distracting and I would tend to take it too far. But if it was a single beat with the proper tempo then maybe it could help with concentrating. I think it would correlate with counting in your head while reading so as to reduce subvocalization.

That said, I will tap on tables if I'm in a good mood, but also if I'm anxious.
 

Abats

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I experience much of these illusions in my life, back to the day I was trying to do lucid dreaming, and practicing "mind exercice", to when I read the Wave. I made an "heavy" dream one time where I woke up from my bed going to the window and seeing the cassiopaea constellation in the sky surrounded by a purple light, and suddenly a little flying saucer flew to me stucking on my wrist, I had a backward movement to get rid of it. And now and then I sense these illusions are forced upon me with some purpose and "meaning", and I'm sure there is a lot of book that tried to make sense of this crap. But there's no true sense, this is just a hyperdimensional mouse trap, and if it's followed it surely lead oneself into the awful mouth of charybde. There's surely a preexisting condition which might or not be connected to childhood and past trauma, but which is hidden by this enforcing of BS, like a short-circuit leading to STS feedback. When the mind is stressed it can go in all sort of hallucinations easily, and Eiriu Eolas is bringing up a lot of stress which might be not digest by everyone in the same way. "Pornography" is what comes to my mind for these illusions because I think it used the same reward pathway in the brain to be addicted to emotional energies like these illusions are feeding off me, the term "fear porn" was used to described the coronavirus propaganda and it's certainly quite telling. Don Juan in castaneda's book said that emotional discovery stands for nothing in the growth of in seeing the unseen. I'm terrible at connecting dots and it feels like I'm just justifying being sorry for myself through me "helping" you.
Okay enough of pseudo self-justification, I could go on for days with this salad...

The Wim Hof method also activates "stroboscopic lights" : Week 3 - Day 1 - 'Seeing the light(s)'



I tried EFT when emotions are too strong while lying down in EE, and now I "tap" while during EE because my mind need a combination of both. Tapping occupy and fix a part of my mind while the rest of it beam like a laser to erase all the tatooed emotional programs. EFT on it's own missed the power of the pipe breathing.

Thanks Nico for the link to the Wim Hof method. You say that you do EFT at the same time as EE if I understand correctly. It seems to me that the C's have said that EFT is counterproductive with EE. I therefore suggest that you do not practice both at the same time if you wish to perhaps be able to make better progress in your emotional detoxification. Maybe the stress generated by EE is necessary and you have to deal with it, face it like a warrior ? One thing I do when I'm sad for example, is that I immerse myself in sadness by listening to sad music, it makes me shed the tears that need to come out instead of repressing my emotions for example. I feel much better afterwards, it's like I accept what's going on in my being. Finally it's my own method, it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. I'm just trying to help you !

Q: (laughter) (L) Are the EFT techniques a valid method?

A: EFT is merely a keep busy activity designed to hold focus. It is the attention that "works". It would be counter to the purposes of the program you have presented. (the EE program) bold are mine
 

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Thank you @Abats I was aware of what the C's said, and as I mixed things up easily I will separate things up, thank you a lot of that reminder. I'm too impatient with my suffering. Immersion is doing a lot too, it's transforming if there's no resistance, but resistance is part of us too and when it comes I try to not resist it.
Songs are good, I'll listen to them too, singing is also a good path to cry if it's blocked. It really feels like a crucifixion those days, if it was not for this forum I would have not ever heard of faith and conscious suffering for making things better inside and outside, I'm deeply grateful for this.
 
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