Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear

Appollynon

Jedi Master
I thought this was quite an interesting little peice of news from the Gaurdian regarding Einstein and his view of religion. There has always been a great deal of debate over whether Einstein was an atheist or religous man, so I think this most recent finding pretty much settles that debate as far as his belief in any mainstream or organised religion goes.

It came as no suprise to me about his views, as he had such a great intellect and intelligence, that he obviously could not be fooled as easily by organised religion and it's dogmatic ways as many others can be when they feel they need to identify. However he says that he did believe in a more cosmic form of belief in God, so maybe he had managed to find a form of spiritual belief that would no doubt fit with his work. Maybe this was a healthy blend of science and mysticism through a more complete knowledge, as had been suggested Laura in previous writings.

It is also interesting to note that einstein belived in his early formatory years that youths were being lied to by the state, and that this knowledge or feeling is what drove him to searh for the answers to unlock the universe. It sounds like someone on a path that would lead to thinking with a hammer and questing to find the holy grail to me, which is something in my own ignorance I had never thought of about or associated with Einstein before.

http://www(dot)guardian(dot)co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.

A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views.

Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000. The handwritten piece, in German, is not listed in the source material of the most authoritative academic text on the subject, Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion.

One of the country's leading experts on the scientist, John Brooke of Oxford University, admitted he had not heard of it.

Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.

His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.

"The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression," he later wrote.

In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work.
In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory.

His position on God has been widely misrepresented by people on both sides of the atheism/religion divide but he always resisted easy stereotyping on the subject.

"Like other great scientists he does not fit the boxes in which popular polemicists like to pigeonhole him," said Brooke. "It is clear for example that he had respect for the religious values enshrined within Judaic and Christian traditions ... but what he understood by religion was something far more subtle than what is usually meant by the word in popular discussion."

Despite his categorical rejection of conventional religion, Brooke said that Einstein became angry when his views were appropriated by evangelists for atheism. He was offended by their lack of humility and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
 
Appollynon said:
...they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power....
I wonder if Einstein foresaw what would happen once the state of Israel gained that power, via its relationship with the United States....
 
Quote from: Pepperfritz
"I wonder if Einstein foresaw what would happen once the state of Israel gained that power, via its relationship with the United States...."

Seems like six years before the abovementioned letter Einstein was co-signtist ;),
together with Hannah Arendt, among others, of the following letter to The New York Times:

Letters to The Times New York Times December 4, 1948
New Palestine Party Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political
Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the
newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party
closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the
Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the
former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is
obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the
coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in
the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to
welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout
the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could
add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public
manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a
large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must
be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today
they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they
openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist
party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be
expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off
the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had
even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE
NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a
military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants—240 men, women, and
children—and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of
Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish
Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists,
far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it
widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the
heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

(nemo: from de.wikipedia.org on Menachim Begin (winner of Peace Nobel Prize):
Menachem Begin later defended the systematic killings of more than 100 palestinians with the words:
"The massacre of Deir Jassin was not only justified
- without the "victory" of Deir Jassin there would have never been a state of Israel").

The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the
Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism,
religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been
used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade
unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups
inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten
up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them.
By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the
terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in
Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from
the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute,
and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and
their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political
party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against
Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is
the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin
and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top
leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even
to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts
concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest
manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D.
MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS,
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948

from: _http://www.steinbergrecherche.com/19481204%20NYT%20Brief%20Arendt%20Einstein.pdf
 
Appollynon said:
I thought this was quite an interesting little peice of news from the Gaurdian regarding Einstein and his view of religion. There has always been a great deal of debate over whether Einstein was an atheist or religous man, so I think this most recent finding pretty much settles that debate as far as his belief in any mainstream or organised religion goes.
one more thing , that was not known to public is Einstein as a activist . It looks like he is active in stimulating public dissent in some of the social injustice issues.
 
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