Did Frank Zappa truly say this about Chrisitianity?

I agree with AI here, I think Zappa was truly pathological. He was extremely popular with my peers back in the day, but his lyrics were always puerile and disgusting. His public statements were intelligent and his music was complex, but why were his lyrics so bad? (for those of you who haven't heard much of him, Approaching Infinity could have quoted much worse). And the info Dave McGowan came out with in the Laurel Canyon series sealed the case for me.

I actually saw him perform twice in the seventies, and I truly wish I didn't. They were evil events.

Approaching Infinity said:
There's a big dilemma
About my big leg emma, uh-huh, oh yeah
There's a big dilemma
About my big leg emma, uh-huh, oh yeah
She was my steady date
Until she put on weight

There's a big dilemma
About my big leg emma, uh-huh, oh yeah
There's a big dilemma
About my big leg emma, uh-huh, oh yeah
She used to knock me out
Until her face broke out

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'nuff said.
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The book, Caricature of Love, by Hervey Cleckley, goes deeper into the whole problem of pathogical artists. Really pulls it all together.
 
Yes, Zappa really did say this and more about Christianity. He also said that "tobacco is my favourite vegetable"!

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hesper said:
I would like to point out that a poor way to raise children is being a single parent and working 3 jobs, not letting sexual deviants (who else would shower with someone else's young daughter?) hover around lusting after the kids.
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Well, we really only have McGowan's word on that. He doesn't provide any source for that quote, so for now I'd have to place it in the hearsay category.

Granted, many if not most families have 'secrets in the closet', but take note that Zappa's four children all went on to have successful careers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Zappa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diva_Zappa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Zappa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dweezil_Zappa

Here's a 1986 interview with Frank and two of his children: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5q4vY3-Uo

hesper said:
All I know about Zappa is that he made pretty raunchy music and was, from the evidence in the Laurel Canyon series, a pathological personality.
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The 'evidence' is never actually forthcoming. McGowan claims that Zappa - who he places pretty centrally in the 'Laurel Canyon 60s counter-culture spider's web' - was...

McGowan said:
"by numerous accounts, a pro-war, rigidly authoritarian control-freak..."
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Far from it, Zappa was very much politically aware (in the sense that he knew the left and the right were taken over by psychopaths/authoritarians/real control freaks); he was intelligent; and he spoke out on real matters quite often, especially in his last years before his premature death from prostrate cancer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANWLGKKAwuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUVOjp1xn2U
 
Zappa on 'hyperdimensional physics': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP_li8tbMjg
 
Sigh. If its not angry atheists arguing with angry religious folk, it's one trying to seem better than the other by only posting the crap that makes their opinion seem better and superior through biased links... And replying to a 3 year old forum post... really?

Vladimir Sovetov: Well, it's a story of a void with the lone floating sofa in the middle of it, I hope you remember the front cover of One Size Fits All album. "This sofa is all right ,- said the Big G ,- Except what it needs is a floor". And so the world was created, the event which according to FZ Big G celebrated by the orgy with Und Squat, das magische Schwein. It was standard number of ill fated 1971, and never reappeared again, and never was included as a full suite in any of Frank's official concert collections. Why? Don't you think, that deep, very deep in his heart Frank wasn't that much of atheist as he tried all his life to appear? I mean he still had some fear in his soul.

Peter Occhiogrosso: I've often wondered about Frank's inner spiritual feelings. Although he hated organized religion, he did not attack belief in God per se. Since my book is out of print, I'll scan in here a quote from it in which Frank talks about his religious feelings:

"Sure, I had religious feelings, but that's not something that you quantize by whether or not Jesus, or a replica or representative thereof, is whispering in your ear. I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with spiritual feelings. It's like when you listen to music: you either get it or you don't. A real religious feeling transcends the brand of the religion. It doesn't make any difference if it's Hebrew or Moslem or any of the little splinter Christian things. You got it or you don't have it, and no amount of banging you over the heed is going to instill it in you. You can't inflict that on somebody. That's the thing you can really learn to bate about the dogma, because it IS like, "Repeat after me." And then you have to ask yourself, Why am I repeating after YOU? Who in the -flick- are YOU? Why are you so terrific? You dress like Halloween, but other than that, what are you telling me? Why are you improving my spiritual health here? Because I've already got it, I don't need you.

"You can practice spirituality and lead a good life without going through the dogmatic machinery of any kind of religion. I think that many people have found that for themselves--one of the statistics is that there are 40 million unchurched in the United States today. That does not mean that they're atheists or that they're hateful people; it just means simply that they do not subscribe to any particular brand of rigamarole. Nor do they invest in it. I would consider myself to be religious but unchurched. I intend to remain that way, and I'm going to continue to raise my children that way...." (The Real Frank Zappa Book pp.334- 335)
 
Hello King cheap,

Welcome to the forum !

It would be great if you could make an introductory post in the Newbies Forum and how you found the forum, what materials you've been reading and so forth.
 
Kniall said:
Zappa on 'hyperdimensional physics': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP_li8tbMjg
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Very intelligent man, osit. He was obviously disgusted and pained a great deal seeing the destruction all around him of so-called 'civilized' society. And because he was vocal about it, he was accused of being drug addict, which he wasn't, and a deviant doing disgusting stuff _http://www.yesfans.com/archive/index.php/t-27327.html

Or maybe, his major crime was smoking ? :) Only smoking and drinking coffee. So, if you can't kill him via drugs offered by CIA agents, http://www.sott.net/article/264505-From-Monterey-Pop-to-Altamont-Operation-Chaos-the-CIAs-War-against-the-Sixties-Counter-Culture how do you get the guy like that? By spreading lies and killing his character in the eyes of the public. After reading McGowan's series and "From Monterey Pop to Altamont: Operation Chaos, the CIA's War against the Sixties Counter-Culture" http://www.sott.net/article/264505-From-Monterey-Pop-to-Altamont-Operation-Chaos-the-CIAs-War-against-the-Sixties-Counter-Culture after that, McGowan's articles seem like a piece of desinformation. Highly sensationalistic. He scoops all the major musical stars of that era together, finds military connections and makes conclusions that they all deviants of some sort, not victims of a crime perpetrated against them, but the actual perpetrators of some really disgusting crimes.

Thank you, Kniall. And thank you, King Cheap, for the quotes.
 
BBC documentary on Zappa's music from early nineties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhoavP4k4c
 
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