Derivatives

Mountain Crown

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Can someone please explain, or reference an online source which explains what derivatives are, and why they are so named?

I understand they are a form of hedge, or bet?
 
Mountain Crown said:
Can someone please explain, or reference an online source which explains what derivatives are, and why they are so named?

I understand they are a form of hedge, or bet?
Hi mountain Crown.

Essentially they are unregulated gambling on the performance of someone else's assets. Historically complex financial instruments such as these develop during boom times to enable greedy bankers to make highly leveraged bets in a appreciating market. These then go horribly wrong during the bust cycle. This time is no different except the estimated value of $55 trillion is unprecedented.

There a couple of good articles on SOTT: in recent SOTT economic commentary Donald J Hunt references this article. Another describes derivatives as the Elephant in the living room.
 
Thanks a lot Pob. I'm trying to get my head around this, and your post and links are very helpful.

I can't help but think that maybe the current US financial crisis and bailout is a calculated "pulling the rug from under the feet" of the derivatives market, with global ramifications.
 
Mountain Crown said:
Thanks a lot Pob. I'm trying to get my head around this, and your post and links are very helpful.

I can't help but think that maybe the current US financial crisis and bailout is a calculated "pulling the rug from under the feet" of the derivatives market, with global ramifications.

Good point. Many have been saying for sometime now it is not a question of if but when and the PTB decide the when. If it does 'unwind' now, this past week will look like a walk in the park. If it does then it's election suspension and martial law time (see http://www.sott.net/articles/show/166972-Naomi-Wolf-Give-Me-Liberty-and-The-US-Coup-of-October-1-2008 if you haven't already) :scared: I would imagine it would be like every country being like the state Iceland is in now, except there wouldn't be any friendly Russians to borrow a few billion off and as far as I am aware, there are no ATM's on Mars.
 
This illustrates the point perfectly: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPHUtFxaJ8M&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/ :D

from _http://www.itulip.com/

edit: It is speculated on some forums that because of Lehman, Fannie and Freddie's exposure to toxic derivatives is currently being 'valued' in auctions that the US Govt may suddenly find themselves (over the weekend) with far higher debt obligations that were first realised. This would cause a bank 'holiday' to start monday.

The advice is to make sure that if you live in the US you have enough cash at hand for a month or two.
 
Looks like 56 trillion is only the CDS market and that the total derivatives positions that is being kicked around, get this, is over a one quadrillion

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2008/sep/17/city-light-1/

One quadrillion. That’s 1,000,000,000,000,000 — one plus 15 zeroes, or one thousand trillion. It is incomprehensible. And that’s what’s terrifying. This summer, the Bank for International Settlements, the bank for the world’s central banks, estimated that the face value of derivatives floating around the world is $1.14 quadrillion. Derivatives are incredibly complex securities whose value is derived from some asset such as a bond, a stock, or a currency. They are used to bet on the weather and upcoming inflation, among many things. But derivatives aren’t really assets; they are crapshoots on the value of the underlying securities — a wager on another wager. They are based almost completely on borrowed money. And all too many are held by the nation’s largest banks and investment banks — yeah, one of those places where you may have parked your money.

The advice is to make sure that if you live in the US you have enough cash at hand for a month or two.

This is what Jim Sinclair has been saying also.
Dear Friends,

Please understand that the Fed reacts to circumstances rather than acting before potential problems happen.

If the Fed hadn't taken the rather strange action they took today by becoming OTC derivative dealers themselves this would have been the day the USA banking system imploded.

Watch Libor rates to signal the point of detonation.

Circumstances appear as if there were many problem Angels dancing on top of a pin that is being balanced on the nose of just those people who created the problem in the first place.

An implosion of the banking system is coming, which means a bank holiday will occur.

You now must have enough cash in hand to last a month or two.

If you have not distanced yourself from financial agents then you have a financial death wish.

If you have NOT made absolutely sure that your custodian account is a real custodial- ship you are probably in for a surprise.

I took a call yesterday from a mature lady who told me she feels her money market fund that is only in Treasuries will not pay her out. They did tell her they intend to in seven days. I asked her to call me back in eight days. How does she know that this money market fund is not in OTC derivatives based on the movement of Treasuries?

I do not want you to make that call to me.

If you can retire from your retirement program at some reasonable discount do it NOW.

This is it and it is NOW. Gold is going to $1200 and $1650. The US dollar rally has NO fundamental legs.

Why are so many of you sitting there like a deer caught in the headlights? Protect yourself and do it TODAY!
 
One thing I have noticed the past few days, the politicians adding fuel to the fire by saying "we are in crisis mode" and "things will likely get worse before they get better". Anyone with half a brain knows the market is just going to plunge faster as long as they keep making statements like that. It's obvious they are trying to speed things up. The lizzies know their time is almost up...
 
Bear said:
Looks like 56 trillion is only the CDS market and that the total derivatives positions that is being kicked around, get this, is over a one quadrillion
Who really knows? another figure equated the amount at 8 times the worlds GDP.
75% of global liquidity is made up of "Derivatives". The value of this portion of the pyramid is over 8 times the global GDP. The importance of this "top of the pyramid" will become apparent when we look at what it is made from.
From The Probligo It's just incredible really.

Bear said:
]The advice is to make sure that if you live in the US you have enough cash at hand for a month or two.

This is what Jim Sinclair has been saying also.
An implosion of the banking system is coming, which means a bank holiday will occur.

You now must have enough cash in hand to last a month or two.

If you have not distanced yourself from financial agents then you have a financial death wish.

If you have NOT made absolutely sure that your custodian account is a real custodial- ship you are probably in for a surprise.
Hi Bear, Yes, my previous quote was actually referring to discussions based on the article you've presented from Jim Sinclair, but difficult to ascertain how reliable his words are because of his own agenda.
 
Michael said:
One thing I have noticed the past few days, the politicians adding fuel to the fire by saying "we are in crisis mode" and "things will likely get worse before they get better". Anyone with half a brain knows the market is just going to plunge faster as long as they keep making statements like that. It's obvious they are trying to speed things up. The lizzies know their time is almost up...
Yes good point Michael. Did you also notice that Bush was pretty much absent from the press for two weeks prior to then 'DON'T PANIC!' speeches almost daily when trying to pass Paulson's Bill. It seemed deliberately orchestrated for greatest impact.

The EU 'leaders' also put on a fantastic show of dithering incompetence, which only exacerbated the market decline.
 
We start to get the idea of what some of these derivatives in the CDS market are worth.


Traders' worst fears realised at Lehmans auction

Hundreds of billions set to change hands as credit default swaps are reconciled

By Stephen Foley in New York

Derivatives traders were yesterday nervously picking their way through the wreckage of the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in what was the biggest test to date of the unregulated $60 trillion (£35.4 trillion) credit default swaps market.

Investors who had placed bets on Lehman's creditworthiness held an auction aimed at clarifying who owes what to whom after the investment bank went bust four weeks ago, and analysts believe that several hundreds of billions of dollars will change hands.

Credit default swaps are a kind of insurance, which investors used to protect themselves in the event that Lehman defaulted on its bonds. Unlike traditional insurance, however, any financial firm could write a credit default swap contract so banks, insurance companies, hedge funds and traditional fund managers are among those now being required to make investors whole.

The auction set a price for Lehman bonds of 8.625 cents on the dollar. Financial firms that sold credit default swaps, therefore, owe 91.375 cents on the dollar – more than Wall Street had been factoring in. That figure increased nerves about whether everyone in the chain will actually be able to pay the amount that they owe, something that will become clear over the coming days. Participants said the auction went smoothly and efficiently.

The insurance giant AIG was one of the biggest sellers of Lehman Brothers credit default swaps, and it faces big losses as a result. It had to be bailed out by the US government three days after the Lehman bankruptcy filing, and has so far been extended $123bn in loans from the US taxpayer. What investors and regulators fear most is a failure to pay by one link in the chain could cause a cascade of losses through the system.

Analysts say the amount of money that has to change hands could be more than $200bn. Some estimates put the value of outstanding credit default swaps on Lehman Brothers debt at $400bn, although some of these trades have already been netted out because some investors both sold and bought CDS contracts. Exact figures are not available because a CDS is a private contract and is not traded on an exchange, but the payout will certainly be the biggest in the 10-year history of the market.

CDS issuance has exploded in recent years as investors have used the instruments not just to insure bonds that they hold, but also to bet on the creditworthiness of companies. The growth of the market has been so fast that Wall Street has not had time to invent a central trading mechanism.

The New York branch of the Federal Reserve, the US central bank, summoned market participants to a meeting yesterday to discuss creating just such a mechanism. IntercontinentalExchange, the electronic trading platform that is now one of the most popular places to buy and sell oil, said yesterday it had set up a joint venture to create a CDS settlement system. Its announcement came three days after CME Group, which runs the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for derivatives trading, said it was joining forces with hedge fund Citadel to set up a similar system.

Deutsche Borse and NYSE Euronext have also expressed interest, suggesting there could be ferocious competition between exchanges if CDS trading is forced into the regulated arena.
 
Derivatives traders were yesterday nervously picking their way through the wreckage of the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in what was the biggest test to date of the unregulated $60 trillion (£35.4 trillion) credit default swaps market.

These numbers are staggering!

FWIW - If the cap of a Bic ballpoint pen were enlarged a billion times, it would be large enough to fit the earth inside without it touching the the inner walls of the cap. A trillion is 1000 billions.

Financial firms that sold credit default swaps, therefore, owe 91.375 cents on the dollar – more than Wall Street had been factoring in. That figure increased nerves about whether everyone in the chain will actually be able to pay the amount that they owe

Increased nerves??? I bet there's a 4D STS gorge-fest going on now.
 
They've literally been throwing trillions of dollars at the meltdown, even before Lehmans was let to fail, and yet they couldn't save Lehmans from going bankrupt. They had to know what would happen with the derivatives market. These aren't stupid people were talking about. Some guy with an internet connection and some time on his hands can read various sites, can see what would happen, and they can't. This just smells really bad. Their explanation doesn't hold up. "Lacking authority," "With hindsight," "A dramatic error" what a load of bull.

Fears of Lehman's CDS derivatives haunt markets
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

It is a full week after bankers gathered in New York to start sorting out the derivatives mess left by the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers. We still do not know who is on the hook for some $360bn of default insurance, or how much they will have to pay.

Ominous talk of big names and big sums continues to haunt global markets, thwarting efforts by the US and European authorities to unlock inter-bank lending. Traders have noted with acute interest that insurer AIG - now nationalised - says it will need another $38bn from the US government, on top of the $85bn bail-out it has already received. AIG is the world's biggest underwriter of credit protection.

Those on the wrong side of these Lehman debt contracts - known as credit default swaps (CDS) - must come up with the money by Tuesday, the next D-Day in the ever-fraught calendar of the credit markets. There has been a deafening silence so far.

There is no easy way of finding out who they are, so every bank and insurer is suspect. The $55,000bn CDS market is "completely lacking in transparency and completely unregulated" in the words of Chris Cox, the chairman of the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

The settlement auction on Lehman CDS contracts last week was in itself a bombshell. Creditors retrieved just nine cents on the dollar from the Lehman wreckage. As Naked Capitalism put it, the bank had "vaporised". The biggest players at the auction were Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank but they were almost certainly transacting for clients.

The insurers of the debt -- a third are hedge funds -- will have to pay 91pc of the $400bn in contracts.

The Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation says the risks have been exaggerated in headline scare stories, insisting that the total sum to be paid will be closer to $6bn. It says most positions are "netted out".

"That's not credible," says Andrea Cicione, credit chief at BNP Paribas.

"They keep coming up with these number by 'netting' but we think the amount is going to anywhere from $220bn to $270bn. The chain broke in the CDS market when Lehman Brothers went down. We may now see other counter-parties defaulting," he said.

With hindsight, it is now clear the decision to let Lehman Brothers go bankrupt set off a melt-down of the world financial system, forcing North America, Britain, Europe, Australia, and now parts of Asia to rescue their banks. "A dramatic error," said Christine Lagarde, France's finance minister.

US Federal Reserve chair Ben Bernanke said this week that Washington lacked the legal power to take on the vast liabilties stemming from a Lehman rescue.

"A public-sector solution for Lehman proved infeasible, as the firm could not post sufficient collateral to provide reasonable assurance that a loan from the Federal Reserve would be repaid, and the Treasury did not have the authority to absorb billions of dollars of expected losses to facilitate Lehman's acquisition by another firm. Consequently, little could be done," he said. The new legislation passed by Congress "will give us better choices."

In truth, both Congress and the US public wanted a scalp. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson had to bide his time until it was clear to almost everybody that a domino collapse of the US banking system would lead to catastrophe. The Lehman collapse did the trick.

The list of companies admitting to losses on Lehman investments reveals the global extent of the damage. Dexia held €500m of bonds, which may have caused its own need for a Franco-Belgian rescue days later.

Among the others with declared exposure: Swedbank $1.2bn; Freddie Mac $1.2bn; State Street $1bn; Allianz €400m; BNP Paribas €400m; AXA €300m; Intesa Sanpaolo €260m; Raffeissen Bank €252m; Unicredit €120m; ING €100m; Danske Bank $100m; Aviva £270m; Australia and New Zealand Bank $120m; Mistubishi $235m; China Citic Bank $76m; China Construction Bank $191m, Industrial Commercial Bank of China $152m and Bank of China $76m. Ultimately, some money may be recovered.

These losses are out in the open, but the CDS shoe has yet to drop. Perversely the insured volume is greater than the $150bn total of Lehman debt. Some $400bn of CDS contracts were sold. Many were used by hedge funds to take "short" bets on the fate of the bank. The contracts nevertheless have to be honoured.

Chris Whalen, head of Institutional Risk Analytics, says this creates a huge moral dilemna. Why should taxpayers now responsible for AIG foot the bill for huge windfall transfers to hedge funds?

"We need to shut this whole thing down. The people who don't own the underlying collateral and were just betting should be flushed away. It would be grotesque if the US authorities were now to subsidize speculators. The US political class is waking up to this," he said.

If so, the winners may have more trouble than they realize collecting their prize.
 
Have you all read William Brodsky's take on the current situation regarding OTC derivatives?

William Brodsky, Chairman and CEO of the CBOE and Chairman of the World Federation of Exchanges, shares his views on OTC derivatives in the Financial Times’ "Trading Room" http://cboenews.com/9-29-2009/index.php
 
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