Beirut Explosion

ZIA

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The same was noted in the lebanese president assasination in 2007. Bastian shared a link in the french section here.
An article by Thierry Messian talked about a special weapon. Since then, I imagine that weapon has been upgraded and more powerfull, or rather there are many models according to the aim.
It's in french, so here is a deepl translation from a passage:

[...] everyone at the crime site can see a deep, wide crater that an explosion on the surface cannot dig...


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What strikes you when you look at the photos and videos taken just after the attack is the fire. Everywhere car bodies and objects of all kinds are burning. Then it's the bodies of the victims: charred on one side and intact on the other. This is very surprising and has nothing to do with what conventional explosives cause.

The theory of a mixture of RDX, PETN and TNT in the bomber's van does not explain this damage.

If you look closely at the photos of Rafiq Hariri's body, you will notice strange details: his rich solid gold watch has melted on his wrist, on the contrary, the refined fabric collar of his luxury shirt is intact around his neck.

So what happened?

The explosion released a blast of unusually intense heat of unusually short duration. Flesh exposed to the blast was instantly charred, while the back of the bodies was not burned.

High-density objects (such as the gold watch) absorbed this heat and were destroyed. On the contrary, low-density objects (such as the thin linen of a shirt collar) did not have time to absorb the heat and were therefore not touched.

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The remains of Rafiq Hariri.

The videos also show that members of some of the bodies were severed by the explosion. Curiously, the cuts are clean, as if they were limestone statues. There are no prominent broken bones or torn flesh. That's because the explosion absorbed oxygen and dehydrated the bodies, which became brittle. Several witnesses, who were present near the attack, reported breathing problems in the hours that followed. The authorities wrongly interpreted this as the somatisation of a psychological trauma.

These findings are the b.a.-ba of any criminal investigation. It was necessary to start with that, but they are not included in the reports of the "professionals" to the Security Council.

When we asked military experts what explosives could cause this damage, they referred to a new type of weapon that has been researched for decades and reported on in scientific journals. By combining nuclear and nanotechnological knowledge, we can create an explosion whose power is precisely controlled. The weapon is programmed to destroy everything within a given perimeter, calculated to the nearest centimetre.

According to our military specialists, this weapon also causes other damage: it exerts strong pressure on the area of the explosion. When the explosion is stopped, the heaviest objects are thrown upwards. For example, cars have been blown up into the air.

One detail does not deceive: this weapon uses a nano quantity of enriched uranium, the radiation of which is measurable. One passenger in Rafiq Hariri's armoured car survived. Former minister Bassel Fleyhan was transported to a prestigious French military hospital for treatment. Doctors were astonished to find that he had come into contact with enriched uranium. No one has made any connection with the attack.

Technically, this weapon takes the form of a small missile a few tens of centimetres long. It must be fired from a drone. Indeed, several witnesses claimed to have heard an aircraft flying over the crime scene. That is why the investigators asked the United States and Israel, which have observation satellites in permanent position, to send them the pictures they have [...]
When we look at the images and the scale of these explosions, which are gigantic, we find it hard to think that it is only due to chemicals that are at the work of such a disaster!
And as the Lebanese said to the TV news, why would they have stored such large quantities of chemicals that could commit such a disaster!
I hope that the truth will triumph one day over all these horrors...
 

isparnid

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In my response to #Bastian's post, here is what the C's said in the session of September 7, 2013 about the explosion at the AZF plant in Toulouse, France, supposedly due to the explosion of 500 tons of ammonium nitrate :
(Kniall) My question goes back to the topic of chemical plants: The AZF chemical plant that exploded in Toulouse, was that the result of an overhead explosion?

A: No.

Q: (Ailen) Was it a warning to Chirac?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval)Was it a bomb planted by someone?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval)Like Mossad or someone?

A: Yes.

Q: (Belibaste)Dropped from a helicopter? {laughter}

A: Who knows!?

Q: (L) I mean, is it important how a bomb got put in there? (Belibaste)Well, there were people seeing two helicopters in the sky just before the explosion. (L) Oh. (Belibaste)Some assumed that they dropped the bomb. (L) I would think it would be more like somebody getting close and pushing a button on a detonator. (Belibaste)But there is this expert who analyzed the shockwaves and deduced that of the two explosions, one was on the ground but the first explosion occurred 3.5 kilometers above the ground. (L) That's bizarre.
Lots of similarities, two explosions, ammonium nitrate, maybe a test?
 

Artex

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My initial reaction is why are there so many excellent videos of the actual explosion? Reminds me of the Da nci ng Is rae lis of 911 fame.
The building was already on fire and people were aware of that, so that's no really that suspicious. The initial story was that there was a ship with fireworks that had a fire. The smoke and fire prior to the big explosion makes that plausible.

But that might still have been a cover for a planned event (make it look like an accident). When that didn't have the desired effect, whoever was responsible lobbed a low-tech missile at the building to detonate the fertilizer that was known to be there. (I'm only on page two of comments in this thread.) On reddit this morning are multiple angles with an object highlighted flying at the building seconds before the larger blast.
 

Soluna

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Well, it is possible a number of circumstances came together to create this catastrophic accident. Very unsafe storage practices compressing sacks of this chemical, some of which not having moved for months or years - under temperature caused by a fire and chain reaction.

 

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Some of this might be relevant. In April 2013 a fire was set at a fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas, which stored some ammonium nitrate. After burning for a while, firefighters tried to put out the fire, but in the process may have inadvertently triggered the 30 tons of nitrate to explode (force of 7.5-10 tons of TNT). Video here:



A tiny explosion in comparison to Beirut, but here's what a chemist has to say about it (in the context of the Tianjin explosion from 2015):

Ammonium nitrate itself is not explosive nor reactive with water. But it is shock sensitive and can explode, when hit with a violent force like that of a powerful water stream, or some other chemical explosion nearby. It can also react with the some other released gas like the acetylene from the calcium carbide. It can also release ammonia which is dangerous.
 

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Some of this might be relevant. In April 2013 a fire was set at a fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas, which stored some ammonium nitrate. After burning for a while, firefighters tried to put out the fire, but in the process may have inadvertently triggered the 30 tons of nitrate to explode (force of 7.5-10 tons of TNT). Video here:



A tiny explosion in comparison to Beirut, but here's what a chemist has to say about it (in the context of the Tianjin explosion from 2015):

In that instance Joe and Philipos Moustaki proposed that that explosion was caused by a fireball/meteorite:



In accordance with the C‘s take on it:

So, ask! (Perceval) What caused the Waco fertilizer plant explosion?

A: Information overload in the form of a small comet fragment with a massive electrical charge.

Q: (Perceval) There was a fire burning before the explosion. What caused that fire?

A: First fragment.

{Think of the fires in Scotland.}

Q: (L) I think they were being a little bit facetious about explosions being "information overloads", like a play on words?

A: Yes.
 

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I'm posting this here because there is reportedly a second large fire in a M.E country following the blast in Beirut, which is a bit odd; the details of the first fire, in a market in Ajman in the UAE, posted here, now there's reports of a large fire in a market in Najaf, Iraq:

Russian Sputnik seems to be reporting on both fires here - haven't had chance to read it translated yet.
 

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In that instance Joe and Philipos Moustaki proposed that that explosion was caused by a fireball/meteorite:



In accordance with the C‘s take on it:
Good catch. Forgot about that one! From the session it sounds like the fragment started the fire, not necessarily the explosion. But the addition of that extra factor suggests to me that it's probably not a good comparison to Beirut, aside from the idea of some external shock causing the explosion.
 
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