Jsf said:
Thanks for the little discourse on kundalini. There's a lot of sites and discussions on kundalini, but I never been really attracted particularly by this stuff.
Actually, you are because, to a great extent - if not totally - AP could be the effects of kundalini. I don't think you really grokked the import of the passage I quoted.
Jsf said:
Now if you allow it to me, I would like to discuss about intellectual giftedness ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifted ). I found the terme "gifted" quite inappropriate because it mainly gives suffering. Actually, it was this topic which partly led me to 4th way material.
The reason is that a major particularity of "gifted children" is to always remain "conscious".
Not necessarily. I know gifted people who are totally unconscious of objective reality, focused entirely upon subjectivity.
Jsf said:
This constant "consciousness" is dreadful, and all the "gifted children" that I know try everything to switch off consciousness, to be "normal", in an "automatic mode" that could be bearable.
There is some books that describes this processus, like "
Comment je suis devenu stupide" (How I became stupid) by Martin Page.
Jeanne Siaud-Facchin wrote in "L'enfant surdoué" (pp.39-41, I translate) :
The lucidity
With senses sharp to extreme and always on the lookout, with intellectual habilities highly powerful, gifted with un high understanding of the functionment of things and persons, the gifted child looks at the world with a implacable lucid eye.
- The lucidity brought at the extreme is the source of a constant diffuse anxiety that considerably weak the psychological organisation of theses children.
- The lucidity prevents all kind of "losing grip". (...) The emotionnal watchfulness , associated with a constant analysis of things, is a exhausting processsus for psychic resources.
- The lucidity towards beings (...) is a source of anxiety. The gifted child perceve the suffering, weakness of others. When we are a child, we have to think, on the contrary, that adults are solid, that they can protect us, (...)
On the other hand, the gifted child will have a love, an unlimited passion toward an adult in which he feels a solidity and a hability to overcome his/her weakness. For the gifted child, he/she [this adult] will became an hero.
Some of the "gifted children" find some ways to escape consciousness with music, with computer (captivation reduce consciousness), etc. But more often, it leads to auto-destruction (intellectually and physically), drugs, or in extreme cases, suicide. Since I'm working on this topic, I've searched many ways to cope with this consciouness without destroying it.
I found relatively strange that Gurdjieff followers struggle to be more consciouss and that "gifted children" fight to turn off consciousness.
Could you make some comments ? Since I do research on this subject, I would appreciate it very much.
Not so strange when you consider that "giftedness" occurs at about the same rate as psychopathy: 6% only psychopaths have a tendency to "rise to the top" and dominate society and culture and to make it very uncomfortable for the gifted.
Let me point to the quote you made in another thread, a passage from Monroe's book where it says:
High-order distilled Loosh radiation was originating from one particular section of the Garden. Quickly, he hurried to the spot.
There it was- an experimental Modified Fourth Crop unit, one of those that contained a Piece of Himself in its functional pattern. It was standing alone under the leafy upper portion of a large Second Crop unit. It was not "hungry". It was not in Conflict with another Fourth Crop unit. It was not acting in defense of its "young". Then why did it emanate distilled Loosh in such great quantity ?
Someone moved closer. His perception entered into the Modified Fourth Crop unit and then he knew. The unit was lonely! It was this effect that produced distilled Loosh.
Now, just imagine that giftedness is, in some way, related to potential soul qualities... which are related to 'loosh.' Then imagine what kind of "plan" could be put into effect to make sure that the most loosh is produced?
Why, lonely gifted people.
How best to do that?
Well, to create a society in which giftedness is a lonely, painful condition.
In other words, psychopaths and other deviants are the "agents of the Evil Magician," those that spell-bind and hypnotize everyone else. And since their hypnosis works on about 88% of the population, that means that the gifted become "outsiders" instead of valued as they should be.
This is something that Lobaczewski discusses at length in "Political Ponerology." I would suggest that, if you are really "researching," that you will read this book and Secret History as well.
Jsf said:
Last time, anart wrote :
On this forum, you find yourself among a large group of 'advanced for their age children' who have grown to learn how to listen as well as how to use their minds for more than self-calming.
Anart, could you precise "more than self-calming" ? Because in the case of 'advanced for their age children', using the mind does the opposite effect (not self-calming but generating negative emotions).
Edit - it has nothing to do with AP, maybe it's best to create another topic since it doesn't deals with the subject ?
Another case where you really need to do the work to find the answers. The issues of self-calming are addressed in great detail in both the work of Gurdjieff and Mouravieff.
As noted above, gifted children in a world dominated by psychopathy turn to "self-calming" because the world itself is painful - and that is due to the nature of socio-cultural norms that are established by deviants. The work of Gurdjieff is to help the gifted come to the understanding that they ARE gifted and that it is a GOOD thing, and to learn to look at the psychopathy of the world objectively. This helps them to overcome the extremely damaging effects of self-calming, "becoming stupid," etc, that certainly helps them cope with the 88% of ordinary people who are under the spell-binding of psychopaths, as well as the psychopaths themselves.
They also learn that their giftedness can be utilized to master this reality in an effective way while, at the same time, advancing their gifts.
The problem always is that with such a small percentage of the population being gifted, finding others of "your kind" is difficult. Due to the laws of genetic recombination, a gifted child can be born anywhere at anytime. And if they are born into a family of stupids, then you have the basis for the fairy tale: "The Ugly Duckling."
The trick is to find others of your kind and to learn to cherish and nurture giftedness, and to learn that it is NOT painful, that there are tremendous rewards to cultivating it, and that, in the end, it is probably only the gifted that have activated those parts of the self that enable them to connect all their centers in dynamic fusion that will survive the species extinction that humanity is facing.
(see: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5290.msg36420#msg36420 )