Animals and covid-19

mugatea

Jedi Master
Last amazing session there was this:

(Artemis) Can animals be affected by it?

A: Yes

Now I think I may have caught Covid-19 way back early November, but last couple of months some dogs I walked all got the same bug. A really bad vomiting bug, lasted a couple of days, just non stop vomiting then recovery. At the time there were also storms, which means the beach was washed up with storm debris which can include palm oil and other bad stuff. But vet said there were a few bugs going around and I'm just wondering if it could have been Covid?

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mugatea

Jedi Master
Actually thinking about it, its a respiratory virus so that would go under the umbrella term of 'kennel cough' which there hasn't been lately that i know off.

About 5 years ago I had a massive outbreak of kennel cough that spread throughout my dog walking pack. It was like Covid in that some dogs didnt get it or showed zero signs, for some it was nothing, others werent too bad... but a couple were really ill and needed vet care by how hard it hit and dogs that had it are contagious before showing any signs at all. Maybe thats very common though.
 
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loreta

The Living Force
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mugatea

That is very interesting and good to know, as ONLY DOGS ARE ALLOWED OUT THESE DAYS???
I don't understand your question. People have dogs. No horses. No elephants. Can you, maybe, said a little bit what you are thinking? Do you imply that dogs are porters of this virus (no irony in my question.) And that's why we can go outside with them, to spread the virus? Is that what is behind your question?
 

guimondaniel

Jedi Master
I mean that animals are just as prone to this as we are, basically. But they are allowed outside and not us?! Or are we SOON going to be told to KEEP OUR ANIMALS INSIDE? I just did not expand.... There is so much happening but that is a major concern. In Canada, we are still able to go outside. But the way it is shown in media is that in Europe nobody is allowed out? I didn't think you could even walk you dog, basically! Sorry for wording...
 

mugatea

Jedi Master
You can still walk dogs here, I'm a pro dog walker and still working but I have my enemies now cause of that, I'm the only one here still working out of several dozen who all quit monday. I self isolate and dog walking is a loners job so I'm no threat. As long as dogs and animals are kept out of it I'm ok, but if we learn that they can carry and spread I'm finished and god knows how people will react if a dog comes to greet their dog outside. The streets earlier were pretty busy with people walking, way more than a normal day. Parks were way quieter than normal though. All park car-parks are being closed but the parks are still open. Shops are horrible places to be in, you enter and there's so many measures to stop you spreading your plague. Small grocery shops are struggling a bit now some worse than others. Takeaways are shortening their hours or opening days, day-by-day as less people order. People outside treat everyone like they have the plague, people now walk on road to pass someone on the pavement, its actually better to avoid everyone completely than have people give you a wide berth or treat you as if you could kill them. Everyday is noticeably worse, I mean the peoples minds are changing for the worse, everyone is slowly getting possessed by fear, its just some later than others, but I imagine soon most will be possessed. I defo think I will be confronted and challenged to get back indoors eventually or lose all my clients over time unless things change... I'm being selfish, I'm putting lives at risk, etc etc. Tomorrow things will be worse still in some way, but I'll wait till then to see how.
 

mugatea

Jedi Master
What I mean is, at the beginning some people reacted as if they are fighting to just stay alive but they were a tiny minority, others were chill and like "if it kills me, it kills me" but even their perspective has changed and now everyone is being infected to think they are fighting for their very lives. I think people respond to their life being threatened by trying to take control, I think that is what is behind the loo roll fiasco. Controlling behaviour makes people feel safer. Controlling others makes people feel their life is safer. If someone gets in their mind that you are threat to them they will respond to you as if you are trying to kill them, the gov and media decide that threat. I think that is what's coming here. Maybe violence is coming. What cannot be controlled must be destroyed. Conform or die. Maybe it will just fizzle out, hope so.
 

loreta

The Living Force
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You can still walk dogs here, I'm a pro dog walker and still working but I have my enemies now cause of that, I'm the only one here still working out of several dozen who all quit monday. I self isolate and dog walking is a loners job so I'm no threat. As long as dogs and animals are kept out of it I'm ok, but if we learn that they can carry and spread I'm finished and god knows how people will react if a dog comes to greet their dog outside. The streets earlier were pretty busy with people walking, way more than a normal day. Parks were way quieter than normal though. All park car-parks are being closed but the parks are still open. Shops are horrible places to be in, you enter and there's so many measures to stop you spreading your plague. Small grocery shops are struggling a bit now some worse than others. Takeaways are shortening their hours or opening days, day-by-day as less people order. People outside treat everyone like they have the plague, people now walk on road to pass someone on the pavement, its actually better to avoid everyone completely than have people give you a wide berth or treat you as if you could kill them. Everyday is noticeably worse, I mean the peoples minds are changing for the worse, everyone is slowly getting possessed by fear, its just some later than others, but I imagine soon most will be possessed. I defo think I will be confronted and challenged to get back indoors eventually or lose all my clients over time unless things change... I'm being selfish, I'm putting lives at risk, etc etc. Tomorrow things will be worse still in some way, but I'll wait till then to see how.
I am very careful about my dogs. I know how people are mean. So I go with my dogs very early in the morning. Nobody is wake up. That's all. I have a terrasse upstairs so during the day I can go upstairs with them and in the evening. People under fear are dangerous, now under pressure, they are not used to live with others all day. If I was you I would be careful, no parano (like me sometimes ja ja ja) but try to go with your dog when nobody is there.

Dogs save me (and same for all owners of dogs) of this nonsense of quarantaine. Imagine... we are in quarantaine as if we had the coronavirus. Crazy!

Good luck!
 

guimondaniel

Jedi Master
I am very careful about my dogs. I know how people are mean. So I go with my dogs very early in the morning. Nobody is wake up. That's all. I have a terrasse upstairs so during the day I can go upstairs with them and in the evening. People under fear are dangerous, now under pressure, they are not used to live with others all day. If I was you I would be careful, no parano (like me sometimes ja ja ja) but try to go with your dog when nobody is there. [IMG alt="loreta"]https://cassiopaea.org/forum/data/avatars/m/6/6269.jpg?1583054707[/IMG]
loreta

We are worried about NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE DOG OUTSIDE with the way things are going.... And other preoccupations about their welfare. Also we are worried about letting the dog outside as we used to do, basically! Thank you for your input: as in Canada we get all the same restrictions one week later, we're asking what the restrictions are on your side of the planet so we can sort of plan?! Especially since in he March 21st session it is mentioned that animals can also be carriers, IS THAT IN THE CARDS: will they outlaw domestic animals?
 

anka

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Keep hanging there @mugatea ! I can imagine when your profession is walking dogs, you are often lonely with your thoughts - then come back here and talk, share, get it out. I am sure you have accumulated a lot of knowledge during those 14 years of being a forum member. Don't let it go to waste and strengthen the cord with this network. Keep in mind what the C's and Laura said:

A: Hello to beloved ones. Cassiopaea calling. Fear not; All will be well! Wave effects produce many unusual manifestations and chaos.

(L) Things are getting nutty, ya know? It's getting really weird. So, just as a little reminder to myself about what it is that we're supposed to be doing... [laughter]

A: FRV modulation and synching!

Q: (L) So in other words, we're supposed to be modulating our FRV - i.e. our receivership capability - by work on the self, and synchronizing with all of the members of the group in order to... what?

A: Anchor the frequency of the new reality.

Q: (L) So in other words, there are a number of possible new realities and it depends on either... Okay, is it that a group can anchor a frequency and thereby determine the template of the new reality for all?

A: Not exactly. Determines which branch you will move to.

Q: (L) So anchoring a frequency as a group in a sense is not exactly like creating the new reality... It's more like choosing. Is that it?

A: Yes yes yes
Q: (L) So Paul was concerned with restoring humanity to the Edenic state. He uses the symbol as one man, the First Adam, and death came to all. And then by one man life came to all. It struck me that the possibility... Well, what the C's have said is that when the Fall happened, it happened to everyone. It wasn't just like one person. It happened to everyone. So it seems to me that this primal man that is Adam is a representation of all. It's not just one man that caused everybody to go kaflooey. And they've said that it was the female energy consorted with the STS reality. Is that what we're looking at here, only the reversal of the process? In other words, a group of people that have that kind of faith that in the face of everything being literally awful as it is in our world today, that they still have faith in the other reality, they still have faith in doing good, doing right, being loving, that they do not buy into the whole Darwinian materialistic thing, and basically they don’t believe those lies and by those means they are able to, at a certain point in time that Paul called the culmination of the ages, be restored to this Edenic state... in other words a 4D STO reality. Am I interpreting that correctly?

A: Oh that was beautiful!! We are impressed!

Q: (L) Well la-dee-da! So that's basically what the anchoring of the frequency is about. And that's part of the interior state that people have to be in in order to anchor that frequency - to have that kind of faith. It’s not where you are, but who you are and what you see? Even in the face of everything being against your ideas, against what you think, against what you've figured out...

They also said not just once: "Help is on the way!" ;-)

Say hello to your dogs for me! :hug2:
 

Jones

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There is a kangaroo that hangs around this street. During the day he naps in the shade and of an evening and early morning he feeds on the lawns in front of houses.

Earlier in the week one of the neighbours heard him coughing and reported him to the RSPCA. Today he was back on the front lawn here. He is still not entirely well and had mucous running from his nose, so the RSPCA was called again. I was there this time when they come out. They said that they'd sedated him and had taken him in for treatment.

It turns out that he has pneumonia so they gave him some slow release antibiotics to cover him for 5 days and watched him for a while before releasing him again. They said that while they were watching him he would eat for a couple of hours and then start coughing to move the mucous. RSPCA said that if he was still coughing and moving mucous tomorrow, they'd come and sedate him again to give him some more antibiotics. They confirmed that the strain of pneumonia he has is not zoonotic - or transmissible to humans.

The thing that worries me about it though is that with all this hype, someone will get scared that he will spread disease to them and might harm him. The RSPCA said that if people became to concerned about him, they would come an euthanise him, but they feel that his health is recoverable.

I hope he stays safe, he is generally well regarded in the neighbourhood otherwise. I've been leaving a tub of water out for him.
 

c.a.

The Living Force
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When it came time for Archy the ferret to get his first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, the Oakland zookeepers had to give him a special little treat of vitamin paste smeared on one of their fingers to get keep him from squirming away. But other than that, Archy took the shot like a champ.

On Tuesday, the Oakland Zoo received its first shipment of 100 experimental Covid-19 vaccinations for animals.
So far they have been able to administer the first dose of the vaccine to 11 animals — tigers, black bears, grizzly bears, mountain lions and, of course, Archy.

The Oakland Zoo has not had a single case of Covid-19 among its animals, but it isn't taking any chances, especially with the uptick in variants. A group of apes at San Diego Zoo Safari Park tested positive for Covid-19 earlier this year. Besides gorillas, an assortment of animals has been infected including big cats, bears, minks, dogs and domestic cats.

"Now with the Delta variant, which seems like it's more contagious, we just want to be really careful," said Dr. Alex Herman, vice president of veterinary services at Oakland Zoo. "Many of these animals are endangered species. They're very precious individuals and we don't want them to get sick."

Herman said the Zoo has 110 animals at risk of Covid-19 — all of which need two doses of the vaccine. Not only will it take some months to get all the animals, but the Zoo will also need another 120 doses.

The 100 vaccines were donated by Zoetis,
the New Jersey maker of drugs for animals and livestock, and Herman is expecting to get another shipment of vaccines in August in order to vaccinate all the at-risk animals. The global animal health company is donating 11,000 doses of its experimental Covid-19 vaccines to nearly 70 zoos.

The United States Department of Agriculture has authorized Zoetis' animal vaccine for experimental use on a case-by-case basis.

Today, the Oakland Zoo is pretty much fully open, bouncing back after a rough pandemic year that included almost closing for good and the departure of its longtime CEO and champion Dr. Joel Parrott.

With the vaccine, staff can breathe a sigh of relief now that they don't have to rely entirely on social distancing and PPE to protect Covid-19 susceptible animals.


While vaccinating Archy the ferret was easy, giving shots to the larger animals, like the tigers and bears, is a bit more of a production.

Ginger, an elderly tiger at the Oakland Zoo, was the Zoo's first animal to receive a vaccination against Covid-19.
Ginger, an elderly tiger at the Oakland Zoo, was the Zoo's first animal to receive a vaccination against Covid-19.
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OAKLAND ZOO

The first to get vaccinated was Ginger, an elderly tiger. The zookeepers gave her a spritz of goat's milk in her mouth as a little treat, while the veterinary nurse gave her the shot in her back leg.

"As you can imagine getting an elderly tiger into position and giving her treats and having the keepers there and the Oakland Zoo veterinary hospital nurses, it's a coordinated effort," said Herman. "It took us all day to do 11 vaccines and we have 220 to give."
Though it does take coordination, Herman said the big animals have been trained over the years to perform what they call "voluntary behaviors," which include learning to get hand injections and other preventive care procedures. That way, they don't have to sedate animals and can instead work with them using positive reinforcement training.

And while it may not surprise you, not one of the animals has refused to get vaccinated
"No tiger, no Jaguar, no bear has told me that they're not interested in the vaccine," Herman said. "All of them ha
ve been very compliant — no anti-vaxxers."
 

loreta

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
This is extremely bad news because we know that when they did their satanist trial with animals they all died. So if the animals do not die after the shots maybe, maybe, if because they do not give them the true bio weapon. Another way to say to people that this bio-terrorist stuff is ok. But we also know that in their new reality animals will be absent. No animals in their dystopian world.
 

PERLOU

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J'ai eu le Covid 2 fois en 2019 et 2021, j'ai 4 chatonnes et deux Yorks, aucun n'en a souffert, ils étaient collés à moi et n'on pas eu de Covid ni de problème respiratoire, ni vomissement, rien du tout...
Les gens sortent leurs chiens comme d'habitude sur la côte d'Azur et personne ne se plaint...

I had the Covid 2 times in 2019 and 2021, I have 4 female cats and two Yorks, none of them suffered from it, they were glued to me and had no Covid or respiratory problems, no vomiting, nothing at all...
People take their dogs out as usual on the French Riviera and nobody complains...
 
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