Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Mark]

I was on the hunt for paper towels, so I got to Target at 6:58 a.m. I was already the 35th person in line to get in the store. They let us in at 7 a.m., and I was able to get one package that contained 2 rolls of paper towels.

The local Lowes hardware store where I live sells paper towels, last time I was in there a few weeks ago they had several huge stacks. You might call them or Home Depot to see if they have any if you need more than 2 rolls. I've seen some at gas stations too.

 

[miguel angel]

Now I think I found what you're looking for. Fauci in an interview on January 21:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1246131288664408064

Some people on that twitter's thread was complaining about that video had been edited & some other just posted the full video link:

 

[loreta]

Yes, and I also think that there is a fine line sometimes. One lesson from the Nazi experience I think is that it's a mistake to show what we in German call "anticipatory obedience". In other words, to not use the wiggle-room you still have (which is different depending on your specific situation). I have heard stories from/about some of my great-grandparents and grandparents who managed to express their anti-authoritarian instincts even under Nazism, sometimes even semi-publicly. They were not heroic resistance fighters by any means, but they made it clear enough that they don't like and oppose what Nazism stands for by small acts and certain decisions. You could totally do that, and many, many Germans did it. Others in my family line went all-in and embraced the Nazis, be it for purely selfish reasons or because they were just authoritarians. So - small acts of civil disobedience, for example, might send out a signal that you don't agree with what's going on, and they often involve almost zero risk. We shouldn't be so afraid that all we can manage is "yes sir! Will do sir!"

Today I was producing sausages from a wild boar at someone's place who showed it to me (274 sausages, yay!). This in itself probably wasn't "okay" for the authorities, though it perhaps wasn't strictly illegal (except we didn't care about social distancing). Then he and his family invited us for barbecue later to test our work. Clearly, this family (with kids and all) didn't give a sh't about corona. We had a wonderful time, with no awkward behavior at all. The hypnosis was broken. It was great and my wife and I were so happy about being able to have such a social gathering. It's so good for your sanity. Whether you can or should pull it off totally depends on the individual situation. In this case, there was zero risk, so...

On another note, I'd like to share something my Old Man wrote to me in a letter today, bless his soul. I thought it was really funny:

"Dear (son), this admittedly rather unoriginal Easter card I took hold of in the organic supermarket, which exhibited a high percentage of hysteric customers wrapped in shells like mummies, probably out of fear to end as same in the immersion of underground burial chambers. Bio meets corona: I guess even the honey of free-ranging bees doesn't help anymore! ..."

I feel like living in a Sebastian Haffner autobiography!!

In the Haffner times people were able to walk on the streets. Now in many countries you can not. This is a big difference.

I can do some rebellions acts: not wearing mask, saying good morning and smile to people, not participating with the fanatics at 7 o'clock with claps. But It is absolutely prohibited to socialised. You can have a fine if you go to the store with a friend of 600 euros. I can not do a party and bring people at home. I can not walk on the street just for walking. Here and in many European countries is like that or worse. We can not sit on a bench and take sun. It is worse than in Nazi beginnings. We are in a ghetto. And even, in the Nazi ghettos people can socialised. Not here not now.

 

[loreta]

@WIN 52 how do you know it is not built into the latest Android or iOS mandatory software upgrade? You assume they will ask you to download it... They could force you to take the phone with you by making it mandatory to show proof of the approval to go out and enforcing it through the app you say you don't want to download....

Absolutely. They will do that as they did in China.

 

[miguel angel]

With the Coronavirus timeline, I was wondering why China's mandatory adult vaccination campaign passed into law at the end of June 2019 and enacted on 1 December 2019 wasn't included?

China: Vaccine Law Passed | Global Legal Monitor

Great find @Ruth , especially looking at the following:

It is now clear that while they might have different conflicting agendas, at least on this one they are in together.

This part stroke a cord with me:

The Law establishes a compensation system for abnormal reactions to vaccination. A recipient of an immunization program vaccine who dies or suffers significant disability or organ and tissue damage is to be paid from the vaccination funds of the provincial level government if the damage falls within the scope of abnormal reactions associated with a vaccine or cannot be prevented (art. 56).

I guess they are implying they have calculated the % and/or the cost will have to cover that collateral damage...

 

[Ruth]

Ruth, I quoted what you said, and a person on Twitter asked what statistics I based that on apart from infant mortality. Are there other sources which directly point to pediatric health in the US as being the lowest in the 1st world?

I got my opinion from Children's Health Defence and Del Bigree's non-profit ICAN. Here is an example:

Too Many Sick Children • Children's Health Defense

More than 54% of American children are suffering from one or more chronic illnesses, with the late 1980s and early 1990s viewed as the gateway period that

childrenshealthdefense.org

They use CDC stats and scientific studies for their source material. That is most likely why they have been able to successfully sue departments within the American Government and also why they have (so far) been able to stay up on the internet and not be taken down for spreading 'misinformation' or 'conspiracy theories'.

Get Informed - ICAN - Informed Consent Action Network

www.icandecide.org

They are not saying that vaccines are 100% responsible for this decline in children's health, only that there is a direct and very worrying correlation between the number of (profit driven vaccines) mandated for children (now) and the meteoric rise in childhood health problems.

In 1986 a law was passed to stop the public from being able to sue vaccine manufacturers for damage done by vaccines and the Government took on that role. They just didn't do any of the studies necessary to find out if there was any risk or any of the reports to Congress required by the law.

Safety testing for vaccines is awful, and the 'science' promoted by pharma companies who make these vaccines would make so called 'tobacco science' look good.

They take issue that the American Government refuses to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. There is a very big possibility that it would most likely show a catastrophic decrease in childhood health running directly in parallel with the increase in the number of vaccines administered. This risk can only be seen over time in one country such as America, or as a comparison between two different 1st world countries childhood with different vaccination programs. I.E America and Japan, or America and Denmark.

So, that covers children.

In 2020, globally, the World was going to move forward onto mandating adult vaccinations, regardless of the risk. Governments just refuse to accept that there could in fact be any. The Coronavirus debacle has just opened a huge can of worms regarding safety and that's even before the problem of efficacy and necessity are even looked at. You can literally kill vaccinated animals with this vaccine once they are re-exposed to the virus. This is the vaccine they are rushing through and will most likely be forcing on people in the near future.

I wouldn't recommend you burden people with too much information on this subject as there is so much of it, and it is pretty terrible. Del Bigtree can literally talk the hind leg off a donkey on the subject, too.

It's worth being aware that some people, maybe even most (?) will ignore information if they don't 'like' the source. The source then becomes their excuse to ignore it. They ask you to 'quote your sources' and because you don't go directly to source material (they want you to reinvent the wheel even better if you actually did the 'study'), they dismiss it because it comes from 'the wrong people'. Often, they just mean it's not from mainstream acceptable sources and that becomes the reason they reject it. I'm thinking of how my family and my work react and probably how a lot of people who ask for sources will respond!

I'll include something here from Del Bigtree.

 

[biuta]

My ex-wife and I have been talking about the Trudeau's. She has noticed that Sophie isn't the same lately and she has quit wearing her wedding rings. Trouble in paradise?

I thought that possibly she was against vaccinations and her children are unvaccinated. It was just a thought on my part. She is after all a mother and we all know about the mothering instincts of a caring woman. I just thought that a woman like her would not want to risk her children's well being by a vaccination. You know, a modern, connected and caring type of woman.

It may be inappropriate speculation on my part, who knows. Watch and see.

I have also speculated similarly about Baron Trump. Again pure speculation on my part.

Man, some of the things that I come up with, trying to look at something from as many angles as possible in my attempt to be prepared.

Well Trudeau is definitely part of the establishment, just like his daddy who sold out to our favorite Bank of International Settlements in 1974.

The Bank of Canada should be reinstated to its original mandated purposes

If properly and fully pursued it could be of great help in getting support from the electorate. As it stands, it seems that the international banking cabal appears to have such a grip on Canada’s current capitalist government that it has refused to act in Canada’s best interests. As in the case...

canadiandimension.com

In 1974 the Bank for International Settlements (the bank of central bankers) formed the Basel Committee to ostensibly establish global monetary and financial stability. Canada, i.e., the Pierre Trudeau Liberals, joined in the deliberations. The Basel Committee’s solution to the “stagflation” problem of that time was to encourage governments to borrow from private banks, that charged interest, and end the practice of borrowing interest-free from their own publicly owned banks.

At that time it seems that Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau came under the influence of neoliberalism, promulgated by Frederich Hayek and Milton Friedman. Then, while attending the Basil Committee sessions, he probably came under further influence of fellow Bilderberg attendees and as a result he accepted the partisan flawed logic from the world’s top banks. Apparently on the basis of this, he decided that Canada should dramatically reduce borrowing interest-free money from Canada’s own bank and instead borrow the bulk of its money from chartered banks and pay interest on the loans. It appears that this decision was made without informing Canada’s parliament.

So there you go...

 

[hlat]

In 2020, globally, the World was going to move forward onto mandating adult vaccinations, regardless of the risk.

That may be your opinion. However, it is not fact. How about some non-anticipation, and wait and see?

 

[WIN 52]

Well Trudeau is definitely part of the establishment, just like his daddy who sold out to our favorite Bank of International Settlements in 1974.

The Bank of Canada should be reinstated to its original mandated purposes

If properly and fully pursued it could be of great help in getting support from the electorate. As it stands, it seems that the international banking cabal appears to have such a grip on Canada’s current capitalist government that it has refused to act in Canada’s best interests. As in the case...

canadiandimension.com

So there you go...

I clearly remember that time and figured it was a bad idea, back then. I basically have not voted for Liberals since. The problem then became Conservatives were no different and NDP neither. Consequently, I have voted for independents or Green since, if I voted at all.

So, nothing changed for the better, just progressively got worse. A sad state of affairs that we have gotten into. It was very painful to watch through the years.

 

[Ruth]

May I request that you stop pushing inaccurate information? The US does not require vaccination for children. Most states do not require vaccination for going to school. High profile states such as California and New York do require vaccinations to go to school; however, there are exceptions, which I have successfully completed in the recent past and am attempting do again in the near future.

It used to be a lot freer (and not as regulated), and there used to be religious exemptions, philosophical exemptions and medical exemptions. Each State is now tightening the laws and has made them difficult to get, in some cases removed them all together. Just like there used to be a lot less vaccines. All this has happened in the last few years.

The Disappearing Medical Exemption to Vaccination - NVIC Newsletter

Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of NVIC, provides critical information and perspective on national vaccine policy and criticizes the public private relationship between government, medical trade associations and vaccine makers and their efforts to narrow the medical exemption to...

www.nvic.org

 

[Ruth]

That may be your opinion. However, it is not fact. How about some non-anticipation, and wait and see?

Not a fact in your country, yet. More than likely it will be, especially in 2020. Prepared to be vaccinated whether you like it or not.

 

[seek10]

To day, I went to Costco and they were not allowing any body who doesn't have mask. I went to Target store which is next to it, No issues of entering or buying.

Face Masks Are Now Required By Law in NJ Supermarkets - NJ Family

Governor Murphy signed an executive order requiring all store employees and shoppers to wear face masks or coverings to help fight the spread of COVID-19.

www.njfamily.com

Mean while, in the neighboring state PA, its local Bus/Train system (SEPTA) reversed its decision after the video of one unmasked man being forcibly removed from the bus went viral.

Philadelphia: After a viral video showed a unmasked man being dragged off a bus, SEPTA reverses its requirement -- Sott.net

SEPTA says it will no longer enforce a short-lived policy requiring riders to wear facial coverings, after a widely shared video showing a man being dragged off a bus, allegedly for not wearing one, prompted confusion about whether masks were...

www.sott.net

Media is saying NY cases are stabilized for 2 days and NJ cases sees slight decrease. NY governor expects things will be much lesser in May. Last week, one of my friend took his son to a hospital and he too says hospitals are very empty. I am not sure where these guys get the numbers from, If the hospitals are empty.

I wonder what argument Governments and Media will come up to justify this gigantic BS. Trump is going ahead with a new committee to start relaxing all the lock down procedures. Will any body believe this crap, once people gather together figure out what a BS all this is. Probably, some thing else is in pipeline and this Coronavirus is only initial program.

 

[iamthatis]

Not a fact in your country, yet. More than likely it will be, especially in 2020. Prepared to be vaccinated whether you like it or not.

What you say, and the way you're saying it, makes it sound like you're personally identified with a scenario in the future as 'true'. What is your understanding of both the sense and significance of non-anticipation, as written about in countless places on this forum, in the transcripts, and in the Wave?

 

[flashgordonv]

Yesterday and today, new deaths were reported in New Zealand. One death yesterday, 90 year old woman with underlying health conditions, from a Nursing home. Today two deaths, one a man in his 70's from the same rest home as yesterday, also with underlying conditions. (please note, neither of these people were in the ICU, nor identified as in critical condition.). The second death today a man who has been in hospital for over a week and was identified as in ICU and in critical condition. He also was in his 80s with underlying health conditions.

A couple of things to note here. First, all of the deaths to date have been elderly people with underlying health conditions. 3 of the 4 deaths were people not in the ICU. I suspect if there were not a lockdown going on, these deaths would not have made it past the community newspaper obituary column. But as the whole country is suffering such tough restrictions, it is obviously important to claim as many deaths as possible as being due to CV19. Even though at least 3 of the 4 probably dies with CV19 and NOT from CV19.

Second thing to note is that there was an identified cluster of cases in a Christchurch nursing home. A bunch of staff, 18 in total, were tested positive and sent into isolation. As a consequence, there were not enough staff to man the hospital part of the nursing home. The local District Health Board stepped in. They moved 20 frail, sick, elderly people from that home to the local hospital, not because they had CV19 but so they could be better managed as the home did not have enough staff. Many of this group of 20 appear to have dementia. It is also pretty clear that they have not actually tested this group due to the trauma such testing might inflict on somebody who does not know what is happening and why somebody is stuffing a swab up their nose.

NOTE: Of the 4 deaths, two have come from this group. Neither of them was in ICU and it is my suspicion that they either didn't test them until they passed or else they didn't test them at all and just claimed them as CV19 deaths. I suspect more of this group will die in the coming days. I mean, think about it. Somebody with dementia, used to life in a little hospital with the same staff and familiar people around, suddenly stuffed in an ambulance and deposited in isolation in a noisy, strange hospital. How frightening and disorientation that must be for an already bewildered person.

The harsh reality is that many more of this group are likely to die in the next week or two from underlying conditions, from old age, from fear,and they will all be added to the CV19 toll to make sure people maintain the fear level and continue to do what they are told. ANd they will die alone as friends and family are not allowed for reasons of "safety". So sad.

 

[Maat]

After reading so much reactions of a lot of people here and there in social media and elsewhere, what strikes me the most is that if all this BS works so much is because some like fear of death. And a virus is very more efficient in that regard that a terror threat. And we could grant this to postmodernism, materialistic view of the world, etc.

As for myself, I don't care to die, even if it means that my "personality" will disappear, but I'm surely afraid of more suffering at all levels while alive. And what it means to be alive if you can't even sharing with others, seeing the others, the nature etc. ?

So, it seems to me that all this little new nazis etc are like zombies, dead alive, or better, alive dead !

It was just my rant of the day !