Racer_Unknown
The Force is Strong With This One
I think I see the problem of my misunderstanding. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction by way of the new posts and the Organic Portals article. Part 2 of the article really did the trick to help me “see” a few things. Curiously I never read it!! Although I had read part 1 (?).
What threw me off, I think, was that I had misunderstood that Gurdjieff’s assumed (most) humans had no soul or just a “seed” that could develop or grow into a soul (which I guess explains the term “harvest” as used by Ra. Hmm). Hence I was struggling with the possibility that he was an Organic Portal, or rather that his body was an “organic portal” for the personality we know as G. G. Gurdjieff. An “organic portal” (as in “container” rather than a bridge) that had successfully “grown a soul” (another one of my misunderstandings, as I now understand that the Work is about connecting/fusing the lower and higher centers so that the soul can “take” the body. OSIT.) But if Gurdjieff was in fact an OP and was succesful at "growing a soul" then I don't see a better teacher for this, as he had to do "it" in order to "teach it."
Now what further confused me or rather created a conflict were the instances of past learning from various sources, like the Seth books and my own ouija board sessions from nearly 2 decades ago. (At the time, I’d just read about the phenomenon and wanted to find out for myself if it was real or not).
The entities a good friend and I apparently contacted described in one of their sessions a particular “consciousness species” among the human population. The name they used to describe them where “god men” which from what I have read since then, has led me to believe they might be what Ra calls “wanderers” which are supposedly higher density beings incarnated in 3D for some purpose.
What’s more, it was through the board that I was directed to Eckankar, which I cited in my initial post of this thread, so that I could "properly" communicate with spiritual teachers in an out-of-body state” for further instruction, as opposed to using a “toy” – that’s what the entities called the board. (Briefly, I had read at the time one of Eckankar’s books, and so said information was still fresh in my mind and the entities apparently picked up on it. It seemed as though they could read mine and my bud’s thoughts because during the sessions, as both asked questions, before finishing them, the planchette would already start moving around the ouija board answering them. What’s more, it appears that we had a clear and uncorrupted channel, as the poems we received for instance did not appear to have any “distortions” in them. They were “finely woven,” so to speak. And so I “kept” said data from those sessions in my mental/memory files.)
Given all this, I “assumed” that all humans had a (“fully formed”) soul! But when I read part 2 of the Organic Portals article and combined this data with what Gurdjieff teaches (some of which has been made known to me by those who’ve posted on this thread), I came to find that the Work actually consists of connecting or fusing the lower centers with the higher ones so that the Higher Self can take “hold” of the physical body. And this is very interesting to me as I had not come across this concept in any of my studies/research.
In a radio interview I heard several years ago – back when he was alive – Robert Monroe was discussing physical reality and the Human Experience and said (paraphrasing), that if he were a master genetic scientist who had the ability to create life forms and wished to try out one of his many genetic creations, say, a tiger, having engineered its reflexes; optical, hearing and smelling apparatuses; muscles. ligaments, etc, etc, etc, he would place the creature in an environment where it had to fend for itself, survive, so that it, in a sense, was made to use the “built in” abilities and mechanisms it had.
Using Monroe’s model for a little analogy, currently, humanity exists (along with all other life forms including the vegetable and mineral kingdoms) incarnated in 3rd density planet Earth. Think of the planet – and physical reality itself – as one of those labyrinths or masses that scientists use in their labs for their experiments and research. These are “populated” by whatever creatures they wish to study or learn from.
Now just as humans need a space suit to maneuver in outer space, so does a “unit of consciousness” (soul) need a physical bio suit (or “physical/biological body”) to maneuver and exist in 3D planet Earth. Right?
So here we have a species (homo sapiens) in this instance, which would be nothing more than a sort of ‘container’ that houses a “soul.” Correct? But I think that my major misunderstanding for me (if I’m wrong here please help me/ let me know) is the difference between the term “soul” and “consciousness.” As in, “a soul is polarized to STO” rather than one’s consciousness being STO… Does that make sense? So in that sense, (no pun intended), ALL *physical human bodies* are *containers* for… either a soul, or, for a (“species” of) consciousness like the “crocodile with a high intellect” mentioned in Laura’s article about Organic Portals. Would this be accurate? These “containers” (human bodies – homo sapien model) are animated by the gross body’s consciousness which is in turn is regulated – its behavior for instance – by the body’s genetics. Two examples of basic genetic programs are instructions for hunting/food gathering and mating/reproduction.
However some of these gross bodies (with their corresponding genetic programs) somehow develop a “seed.” if I understand correctly. during a particular cycle that basically enables them to actually bypass the genetic program commands – thereby developing what we could term “higher functions.” To give an example of what it is I’m trying to convey, think of a wolf about to eat its prey and suddenly stopping, as the victim is pleading for its life and the wolf is overcome by a “strange sense of compassion,” which serves to bypass the primal genetic command. But here it’s where I get a bit confused.
Apparently and the way I’ve come to understand, not only is it possible for Organic Portals to develop a seed (of a soul) based on higher functioning (compassion, empathy, love, creativity, etc) but they also apparently develop a seed if they are what we would term “evil.”!! And what I mean by evil is not simply “bad,” as in “killing,” but having more to do with an intelligent, cunning, perverse and predatory way of being. In other words, a “lower intelligence animal” will simply kill to eat, as its genetic program (and the reality in which it exists) dictates that this be so. While in the instance I’m referring to, the “higher intelligence animal” will *murder* for entertainment/sport, ritualistic sacrifice, money/goods, etc. See the difference?
And this would be the difference between the two Organic Portals – one has compassion/empathy while the other does not. One human body may house the soul (or consciousness???) of an anaconda with a ‘high intellect’ (Dick Cheney would be an example), while say, a dolphin with ‘high intellect’ might turn into someone like John Lennon.
A particular *container* (human body) NOT an organic portal is created (by whom? one’s Higher Self?) to ‘house’ a soul from… (4D to 6D?) right? If this is so, then it can be somewhat easy to see WHO has the “higher centers” who might be an anthropoid! Simply by asking about a subject like Intelligent Design vs. chaos theory/non-intelligent design or even about 9/11 (whether they see the deception or not) for example, it should be somewhat easy to determine who is what. This in turn reminds me of my “psychological split of reality” hypothesis - that as result of 9/11 the human population would be devided into those that SEE through the Septmebr 11th deception and those that cannot or will not. Mouravieff’s writings speak of a separation in the End Days between the (real) humans and the anthropoid (OP) race...
After reading part 2 of the Organic Portals I couldn’t help but smile, as I began to “see” things a whole different way, heh... Think of those humans attracted to being ‘cops’ or detectives for example. These individuals – their behavior – might be similar to that of a pack of wolves or similar predator hunting for their prey – their organization, trail following, etc. While those attracted to the military might very well be similar to the "militant gorillas" as depicted in the Planet of the Apes movie reality.
Similarly and like Laura pointed out in her OP article, “organic portal scientists” are those like Darwin who view the world as lower intelligence creatures (or “animals”) would, hence their highly limited theories and ideas to explain reality. Whereas scientists like Cleve Backster (primaryperception.com) and his experiemnts in plant to human telepathy have a MUCH better understanding about the nature of reality.
This brings me to a new working hypothesis given what I’ve learned: Seth as well as other techers like Swann, Monroe, Klemp describe in their work what perhaps ONLY ‘makes sense’ – even if only on an intuitive level – to higher density beings incarnated in 3D!
* The physical senses present one unique version of reality, in which being is perceived in a particular dimensionalized sequence, built up through neurological patterning, and is the result of one kind of neurological focus. There are alternate neurological routes, biologically acceptable, and other sequences so far not chosen.
* Mental enzymes are complex proteins produced by living cells to catalyze specific biochemical reactions. These enzymes are an inner counterpart used by the inner ego to initiate various “involutionary” actions that fuel physical constructions in Framework 1.
* Our individual self-government and our political organizations are by-products of sequential perception, and our exterior methods of communication set up patterns that correlate with, and duplicate, our synaptic behavior. We lock ourselves into certain structures of reality in this way.
* Our sequential prejudiced perception is inherently far more flexible than we recognize, however. There are half steps – other unperceived impulses – that leap the nerve ends, too fast and too slow for our usual focus. Recognition of these can be learned and encouraged, bringing in perceptive data that will trigger changes in usual sense response, filling out potential sense spectra with which we are normally not familiar.
*Each person is a unique version of an inner model that is in itself a bank of potentials, variations, and creativity. The psyche [soul] is a seed of individuality and selfhood, cast in space-time but ultimately independent of it.
Below is a list of the various terms Seth uses to describe these higher density “professionals:”
true mental physicist - a physicist that uses his psyche (as in an out of body state) to explore and understand the quantum world.
complete physician - a “psychic” healer and medic that communicates with bodily organs.
dream archeologist - a psychologist or psychiatrist that uses the out of body state to explore inner reality.
psychic naturalist – an individual who combines postconventional intellect and intuition to explore subjective and objective qualities of physical experience in a way that transcends preconventional superstition and conventional scientific materialism.
Just to make it clear: I have never “sought out” phenomena for “entertainment.” BUT strange phenomena has followed me throughout my life. So much so that I could not deny its existence. (?)
I must say that what SeekingTruth wrote along with everyone else’s’ posts, have convinced me to pursue Gurdjieff and the Work. I have just ordered In Search of the Miraculous and look very much forward to studying it.
My soul (seed? imprint?) feels like it has found yet another Light in the sea of darkness we appear to be in.
Thank you.
What threw me off, I think, was that I had misunderstood that Gurdjieff’s assumed (most) humans had no soul or just a “seed” that could develop or grow into a soul (which I guess explains the term “harvest” as used by Ra. Hmm). Hence I was struggling with the possibility that he was an Organic Portal, or rather that his body was an “organic portal” for the personality we know as G. G. Gurdjieff. An “organic portal” (as in “container” rather than a bridge) that had successfully “grown a soul” (another one of my misunderstandings, as I now understand that the Work is about connecting/fusing the lower and higher centers so that the soul can “take” the body. OSIT.) But if Gurdjieff was in fact an OP and was succesful at "growing a soul" then I don't see a better teacher for this, as he had to do "it" in order to "teach it."
Now what further confused me or rather created a conflict were the instances of past learning from various sources, like the Seth books and my own ouija board sessions from nearly 2 decades ago. (At the time, I’d just read about the phenomenon and wanted to find out for myself if it was real or not).
The entities a good friend and I apparently contacted described in one of their sessions a particular “consciousness species” among the human population. The name they used to describe them where “god men” which from what I have read since then, has led me to believe they might be what Ra calls “wanderers” which are supposedly higher density beings incarnated in 3D for some purpose.
What’s more, it was through the board that I was directed to Eckankar, which I cited in my initial post of this thread, so that I could "properly" communicate with spiritual teachers in an out-of-body state” for further instruction, as opposed to using a “toy” – that’s what the entities called the board. (Briefly, I had read at the time one of Eckankar’s books, and so said information was still fresh in my mind and the entities apparently picked up on it. It seemed as though they could read mine and my bud’s thoughts because during the sessions, as both asked questions, before finishing them, the planchette would already start moving around the ouija board answering them. What’s more, it appears that we had a clear and uncorrupted channel, as the poems we received for instance did not appear to have any “distortions” in them. They were “finely woven,” so to speak. And so I “kept” said data from those sessions in my mental/memory files.)
Given all this, I “assumed” that all humans had a (“fully formed”) soul! But when I read part 2 of the Organic Portals article and combined this data with what Gurdjieff teaches (some of which has been made known to me by those who’ve posted on this thread), I came to find that the Work actually consists of connecting or fusing the lower centers with the higher ones so that the Higher Self can take “hold” of the physical body. And this is very interesting to me as I had not come across this concept in any of my studies/research.
In a radio interview I heard several years ago – back when he was alive – Robert Monroe was discussing physical reality and the Human Experience and said (paraphrasing), that if he were a master genetic scientist who had the ability to create life forms and wished to try out one of his many genetic creations, say, a tiger, having engineered its reflexes; optical, hearing and smelling apparatuses; muscles. ligaments, etc, etc, etc, he would place the creature in an environment where it had to fend for itself, survive, so that it, in a sense, was made to use the “built in” abilities and mechanisms it had.
Using Monroe’s model for a little analogy, currently, humanity exists (along with all other life forms including the vegetable and mineral kingdoms) incarnated in 3rd density planet Earth. Think of the planet – and physical reality itself – as one of those labyrinths or masses that scientists use in their labs for their experiments and research. These are “populated” by whatever creatures they wish to study or learn from.
Now just as humans need a space suit to maneuver in outer space, so does a “unit of consciousness” (soul) need a physical bio suit (or “physical/biological body”) to maneuver and exist in 3D planet Earth. Right?
So here we have a species (homo sapiens) in this instance, which would be nothing more than a sort of ‘container’ that houses a “soul.” Correct? But I think that my major misunderstanding for me (if I’m wrong here please help me/ let me know) is the difference between the term “soul” and “consciousness.” As in, “a soul is polarized to STO” rather than one’s consciousness being STO… Does that make sense? So in that sense, (no pun intended), ALL *physical human bodies* are *containers* for… either a soul, or, for a (“species” of) consciousness like the “crocodile with a high intellect” mentioned in Laura’s article about Organic Portals. Would this be accurate? These “containers” (human bodies – homo sapien model) are animated by the gross body’s consciousness which is in turn is regulated – its behavior for instance – by the body’s genetics. Two examples of basic genetic programs are instructions for hunting/food gathering and mating/reproduction.
However some of these gross bodies (with their corresponding genetic programs) somehow develop a “seed.” if I understand correctly. during a particular cycle that basically enables them to actually bypass the genetic program commands – thereby developing what we could term “higher functions.” To give an example of what it is I’m trying to convey, think of a wolf about to eat its prey and suddenly stopping, as the victim is pleading for its life and the wolf is overcome by a “strange sense of compassion,” which serves to bypass the primal genetic command. But here it’s where I get a bit confused.
Apparently and the way I’ve come to understand, not only is it possible for Organic Portals to develop a seed (of a soul) based on higher functioning (compassion, empathy, love, creativity, etc) but they also apparently develop a seed if they are what we would term “evil.”!! And what I mean by evil is not simply “bad,” as in “killing,” but having more to do with an intelligent, cunning, perverse and predatory way of being. In other words, a “lower intelligence animal” will simply kill to eat, as its genetic program (and the reality in which it exists) dictates that this be so. While in the instance I’m referring to, the “higher intelligence animal” will *murder* for entertainment/sport, ritualistic sacrifice, money/goods, etc. See the difference?
And this would be the difference between the two Organic Portals – one has compassion/empathy while the other does not. One human body may house the soul (or consciousness???) of an anaconda with a ‘high intellect’ (Dick Cheney would be an example), while say, a dolphin with ‘high intellect’ might turn into someone like John Lennon.
A particular *container* (human body) NOT an organic portal is created (by whom? one’s Higher Self?) to ‘house’ a soul from… (4D to 6D?) right? If this is so, then it can be somewhat easy to see WHO has the “higher centers” who might be an anthropoid! Simply by asking about a subject like Intelligent Design vs. chaos theory/non-intelligent design or even about 9/11 (whether they see the deception or not) for example, it should be somewhat easy to determine who is what. This in turn reminds me of my “psychological split of reality” hypothesis - that as result of 9/11 the human population would be devided into those that SEE through the Septmebr 11th deception and those that cannot or will not. Mouravieff’s writings speak of a separation in the End Days between the (real) humans and the anthropoid (OP) race...
After reading part 2 of the Organic Portals I couldn’t help but smile, as I began to “see” things a whole different way, heh... Think of those humans attracted to being ‘cops’ or detectives for example. These individuals – their behavior – might be similar to that of a pack of wolves or similar predator hunting for their prey – their organization, trail following, etc. While those attracted to the military might very well be similar to the "militant gorillas" as depicted in the Planet of the Apes movie reality.
Similarly and like Laura pointed out in her OP article, “organic portal scientists” are those like Darwin who view the world as lower intelligence creatures (or “animals”) would, hence their highly limited theories and ideas to explain reality. Whereas scientists like Cleve Backster (primaryperception.com) and his experiemnts in plant to human telepathy have a MUCH better understanding about the nature of reality.
This brings me to a new working hypothesis given what I’ve learned: Seth as well as other techers like Swann, Monroe, Klemp describe in their work what perhaps ONLY ‘makes sense’ – even if only on an intuitive level – to higher density beings incarnated in 3D!
* The physical senses present one unique version of reality, in which being is perceived in a particular dimensionalized sequence, built up through neurological patterning, and is the result of one kind of neurological focus. There are alternate neurological routes, biologically acceptable, and other sequences so far not chosen.
* Mental enzymes are complex proteins produced by living cells to catalyze specific biochemical reactions. These enzymes are an inner counterpart used by the inner ego to initiate various “involutionary” actions that fuel physical constructions in Framework 1.
* Our individual self-government and our political organizations are by-products of sequential perception, and our exterior methods of communication set up patterns that correlate with, and duplicate, our synaptic behavior. We lock ourselves into certain structures of reality in this way.
* Our sequential prejudiced perception is inherently far more flexible than we recognize, however. There are half steps – other unperceived impulses – that leap the nerve ends, too fast and too slow for our usual focus. Recognition of these can be learned and encouraged, bringing in perceptive data that will trigger changes in usual sense response, filling out potential sense spectra with which we are normally not familiar.
*Each person is a unique version of an inner model that is in itself a bank of potentials, variations, and creativity. The psyche [soul] is a seed of individuality and selfhood, cast in space-time but ultimately independent of it.
Below is a list of the various terms Seth uses to describe these higher density “professionals:”
true mental physicist - a physicist that uses his psyche (as in an out of body state) to explore and understand the quantum world.
complete physician - a “psychic” healer and medic that communicates with bodily organs.
dream archeologist - a psychologist or psychiatrist that uses the out of body state to explore inner reality.
psychic naturalist – an individual who combines postconventional intellect and intuition to explore subjective and objective qualities of physical experience in a way that transcends preconventional superstition and conventional scientific materialism.
Just to make it clear: I have never “sought out” phenomena for “entertainment.” BUT strange phenomena has followed me throughout my life. So much so that I could not deny its existence. (?)
I must say that what SeekingTruth wrote along with everyone else’s’ posts, have convinced me to pursue Gurdjieff and the Work. I have just ordered In Search of the Miraculous and look very much forward to studying it.
My soul (seed? imprint?) feels like it has found yet another Light in the sea of darkness we appear to be in.
Thank you.
