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Henry writes:

"It will be very interesting to see who comes to his defence and who refuses to get involved, preferring to sit on the fence. It doesn't matter how many thousands of words Bollyn has written on 9/11, that one piece has shown what lies under the mask of crusading journalist. The attack of Christopher Bollyn on Lisa Guliani will be a litmus test for the ponerization of the movement and the individuals within it. Perhaps the seamier side of the movement is all that there is.

Our world is the expression of what we are inside, of the chaos, violence, and lies of our inner lives. Until each of us addresses that most fundamental of issues, the world will continue on in its relentless pursuit of annihilation. Now is the time for people of conscience to speak up, for if those who claim to oppose the horrors of the 'war on terror', the lies of 9/11, and the brutality of Israel and the genocide of the Palestinians, refuse to take a stand on this issue, if they cannot even see the pathological violence of Bollyn's words and take a stand for decency, then they are worth nothing in a fight for truth."

  I hope this message  is directed towards the profesionals(i.e. journalists,editors,webmasters) in the "truth movement" and not the innocent people trying to seek truth and knowledge.
  A few days ago I posted a comment on a thread that involved a show of WING TV with Lisa and Victor.I admit what I said might not have been the smartest thing I've ever said but I was angry at listeneing to it and might have taken it out of context.What I did was a classic case of jumping the gun and ranting.Somone else  picked apart my post and explained in his words what  he felt.I read it and was calmed down enough to listen to someone elses opinion and  gave it thought and had found they were right.I was being hasty.How very easy it is to forget that if I don't like  how a book is written,I can close it.If I don't like a song on the radio,I change the channel.If I don't want to be yelled and screamed at like I am  2 year old "know-nothing"  to tell me how I am supposed to think on a website,I hit the little "X" on the top right corner.
   I am not so naive as to not know that it is not that simple when RUNNING such sites or radio stations or writing books when you are on the recieving end of viscious attacks.You must do what is required to protect one's self.
  However,I flat out refuse to pick up a pitchfork or torch or stick  and join an angry mob.It is nothing more than fighting fire with fire and  the only outcome is EVERYTHING is destroyed.
  If this means that I have failed your litmus test or have been pegged as a fence sitter,so be it.I will bow out gracefully.
  You people here ,I know,are lightyears ahead of me as far as finding the path towards graduating to the next density and have way more experience in these matters(I don't have  even 2 credentials to rub together) and have  been subjected to  an attack or 2 (being sarcastic there,I know it's way more) more than I.But something in my heart just doesn't bode well.I can't pinpoint it,but it feels like something of a trap.
  I don't have to say this because you will and have already,but I'm going to anyway.Please be very careful in choosing your battles.
  Also watch out for those who claim they are there to "fight the good fight" and are really there just to instigate and push further mayhem for their own sick purposes.

Hi Danny
Without quoting what you have said,though responding to some.Nobody has the ULTIMATE answer or are light years ahead of anybody else.We are in a time of some kind of awakening,a window of opportunity where shadows/images  are starting to appear within the thick fog of deception which has surrounded mankind for oh so long.Maybe its down to the internet to a great extent,but this truth thing is fairly new to us,being as we havent been much in contact with it untill very recently wouldnt you say?

So no one is light years ahead of you,Laura and the SOTT produce a very high  percentage of what they have as they get it themselves,for those who search.This is the only way to move onwards,not by withholding truth.

If you are a searcher of truth and want to work on yourself then im glad to be able to listen and read what you have to say..though individuals we all have something to bring to the table and are all valid members of this online forum community.

Now i listened to Lisa and Victors  radio show the other night and i respect Lisa and Victor a lot for the work that they do,though i was saddened that their emotions where still running high because of Bollyns disgusting behaviour.That being so, i did not like to hear Victor talking about all the information that he has on others,who takes drugs,and who is gay and so on.....which he would possably use in the future.

Personally i think they should have held the show back a few more days even though they are off to some form of protest.They would have been able to think and communicate a lot better me thinks,though as ive said i understand why the show was emotionally charged.

just a few thoughts

MLK could not have said it better as he was dying..."Free at last".Those will also be my dying words.
 I also just listened to Oct. 4th Wing TV show and heard the tears welling up in the last 3 seconds of the show as Lisa addressed her love for her children.
 Like you,Rabbit,I was momentarily taken back by what Victor said about exposing garbage and I truly hope with all my might that it does NOT come down to this "National Enquirer" type of tactics.
   If in fact it comes to that,then the the controlled demolition of the WTC towers will pale in comparison to the free-fall speed in which this truth movement is heading.
   A battleship cannot fight a submarine by sinking down to the murky depths and facing it head on.It must find other means  like depth charges.LOL I have no idea  what I just said but it made sense at the moment.
   Sinking to that level is just as detrimental as doing nothing at all.
  Just another thought to Victors comments about  how he could expose people on  who uses drugs or who is gay....Why are those 2 "skeletons" equated????
1.Drug addicts make that choice!They decided to take that path of self destruction.
2.Being gay is something you are born with.It isn't a personal choice.You are gay,or you are not.You can choose to fight and deny yourself all your life,but you can't change who you are.Exposing someone who is gay is equivalent to exposing  someone who has a huge mole.They can't help it.They were born with it.
  Right now there is a GRAND buffet of emotions that the PTB are feasting on.I just hope that nobody has forgotten that little aspect on things.

I hope this message  is directed towards the profesionals(i.e. journalists,editors,webmasters) in the "truth movement" and not the innocent people trying to seek truth and knowledge.

[...]  However,I flat out refuse to pick up a pitchfork or torch or stick  and join an angry mob.It is nothing more than fighting fire with fire and  the only outcome is EVERYTHING is destroyed.

[...]   If this means that I have failed your litmus test or have been pegged as a fence sitter,so be it.I will bow out gracefully.

[...] But something in my heart just doesn't bode well.I can't pinpoint it,but it feels like something of a trap.
  I don't have to say this because you will and have already,but I'm going to anyway.Please be very careful in choosing your battles.
  Also watch out for those who claim they are there to "fight the good fight" and are really there just to instigate and push further mayhem for their own sick purposes.

Hi Danny,

You recognised the nature of the attack on Lisa. You saw it, and you felt strongly that gutwrenching moment at the end of the show when Lisa addressed her kids. There is no fence-sitting that I can see in what you wrote. It is clear for you.

I was addressing Bollyn's attack. There is an aspect to some of Wing-TV's approach that rubs me the wrong way, the point you raised about Victor's remarks included. I have never heard anything like that from Lisa, so it may well be that she and Victor don't see eye to eye on everything. But people don't need to agree on everything to be able to work together.

And we aren't in a thirties horror picture. No one is going to be picking up pitchforks and torches and marching to the town square. Well, no one from this forum I hope. There are some people for whom years of work on themselves is going to do nothing because they have lost even the last spark of human decency.

The battle we have chosen is to stand for truth, for decency, for conscience in a world where these are no longer valued and where even the ability to recognise them is gone in many people. They have been completely ponerized.

My closing paragraphs were addressed to those self-proclaimed leaders of the alternative news and 9/11 or whatever else you want to call it movements or groups. They have a public voice. They are looked to as models of something different from the corruption of the mainstream, an alternative. If they can't see that Bollyn's remarks to Lisa were despicable, then they will be incapable of building or creating anything fundamentally different from what we see in front of us today. We are in the process of weeding out the people who are interested in the truth from those who have other agendas, and this incident is a choice example to help us see the true character of those who claim they want something better and different.

Henry

Victor and I do NOT see eye to eye on everything.  That said, we do agree on many issues.
However, I have ZERO intention of dredging up tales of who is gay and who is a druggie, etc..
I think Thorn said that stuff in anger.  He was angry.  
We don't script out what we're going to discuss and we do the show in one take, so my thinking is that he spoke in anger when he made those particular comments.
I'm not trying to "excuse" what he said, nor do I intend to engage in or allow WING TV to spew that kind of "Bollyn-style, Hufschmid-Smith-style garbage in the future.
We both spoke on the show as we always do:  spontaneously, in-the-moment, from the gut and from the heart.
And I apologize if we gave the impression that we might stoop to the level of the cretins who have been attacking me and Laura.
I have no intention of stooping to their level.
Nor will I allow Thorn to do any such thing on our show, and this doesn't mean I control the show.
But I have boycotted my own show in the past  in protest (when Kaminski was on recently, for example) - and I have no problem doing that again if necessary.

Thorn and I do a show together, but our thoughts and minds are not melded together.
I own my own mind.
People won't always agree with our opinions or ideas, or the way in which we express them, and that's okay.  We welcome all feedback, constructive criticism, ideas and suggestions.  I know I can always learn something from others, and I do on a daily basis.  

We will strive to continue to raise the bar in our own lives, our work and on our show.
In that, I give my word.


Lisa

!People won't always agree with our opinions or ideas, or the way in which we express them, and that's okay.  We welcome all feedback, constructive criticism, ideas and suggestions.  I know I can always learn something from others, and I do on a daily basis."

Hi Lisa
The reason for my writting that maybe you could have waited with the show is because the cowardly Bollyn  had obviously upset you very much,hey if it had been me it had happened to,and in a way it did, i would have  gone on the air and there probably wouldnt be enough bleeps invented yet to cover what i would have said.

Having said that ,you mention that you do not plan how the show is going to go scrip etc and i would suggest maybe you think about maybe doing this some times,especially when ones blood is boiling..A fast mind you may have though still capable of tripping oneself up and saying things in a way that is not meant ,or want to be percieved in the wrong way by listeners,and i dont mean by those who allready to some extent know what is happening. I mean new listeners who dont know who Lisa and Victor are and arrive for the first time to your production.

Ive listened into a few shows that you have been on as a guest and you have conducted yourself in a honourable manner, and this is what saddened me the other night,i could envisage Bollyn smirking like a cheshire cat knowing that he had hurt you.My thinking is that if you had just  taken a little time to scrip and think awhile you could have got your meaning over a lot stronger,and wiped a possable smile of the cowards face.

What was said by Victor has been said now.We need you to be strong Lisa and you know we are with you.

regards

I understand what you're saying and I would also like to script the shows sometimes.
Thorn disagrees with that, as he thinks they will sound "canned" and will garner "canned" responses from guests.
I agree and disagree.
I don't want canned responses from people either, but I would like to be able to lay out these shows more in advance.
Unfortunately, our time is very crunched and there is no extra time to do that, since very often, we don't decide what we're going to talk about until just before we do the program.
Makes for heart palpitations...

We like the show to be fresh, in other words.
Also, we made a deal with each other and I have tried to stick to my word on that.
Other than when I was sick or had to go to the doctor or when Kaminski and one other person were on the show (both boycotts on my part), I do the show.
We said when we started this that we would take it seriously and make sure we did a show Mon-Fri.
So, almost all the time, barring computer glitches, server crashes or unavoidable events, there is a WING TV broadcast online.
That means, we do the show no matter if we're angry, sad, the sky has fallen, etc..
That is a pressure situation, believe me.

I would have loved to be emotionless on that program, but I am not emotionless.
I am not a psychopath, but psychos are trying to destroy me, sure.
And when one is attacking you in this way or any number of b.s. ways, I don't think a matter of hours or days is necessarily going to matter or change the way I would have handled it.
I see what you're saying, but due to the fact that the shipping has to be done directly after the show, along with other chores, we have a small window to work within.
There is no way Thorn was NOT going to do a show, or postpone the show.
And we made a commitment almost 3 years ago that we would DO the show on schedule, no matter what, if there is a way.

So there was no putting it off.  I gave my word.  It's not always easy to keep my word, but I try.
I'm trying to stick to it.

At least I pretty much held it together there until the very end, when my voice broke.
If I did that show today, my voice would still break.  
While the psychos probably were laughing, (and I think Hufschmid is in on this all the way),  all the decent people who listened to it hopefully had a much different experience.

I can only suggest things to Thorn.  I cannot tell him how to conduct himself or what or how he should speak.
But I make suggestions all the time, and he makes suggestions to me.
And other people suggest stuff to both of us.
I guess, I am saying I did the best I could.
Under the circumstances, I think we both did.
And at this point, there is not really anything else left to splay or slay about "My Alleged Life Story".

But, there are some innocent people to protect - and one of the ways in which we show them they are failing to "get us" is by doing the show.
If we don't do one, then they laugh even harder, don't you think?
We don't do the show, then they win.
I'm not about to let them "win", at least, we shouldn't just give them that satisfaction.

Nobody is really winning.
All we can do is keep trying, don't you think?
That's what I'm doing and I know all of you are doing too.
We're learning as we go, huh.

Lisa

I'm not sure if focusing on whether or not Bollyn gets some short term pleasure out of Lisa expressing her pain is a useful way to go.  I found Lisa's expression to be very human, to the point of my own tears.  And we need more humanity in our world.  So I think showing our emotion can sometimes be of great help, but of course it depends - largely I think on the type of emotion.  I'm sure eveyone here has seen the effects of when our underdeveloped lower emotions are allowed to 'run free' thereby bypassing our reason and getting us into hotwater.   I think what's of greatest importance is the truth, which goes beyond just the outer worldly lies of psychopaths and circles back to our inner weaknesses that have been penetrated by the pathocracy.  

But, there are some innocent people to protect - and one of the ways in which we show them they are failing to "get us" is by doing the show.
If we don't do one, then they laugh even harder, don't you think?
We don't do the show, then they win.
I'm not about to let them "win", at least, we shouldn't just give them that satisfaction.

Nobody is really winning.
All we can do is keep trying, don't you think?

I suppose it depends on how we 'try'.  Kaminski and Nimmo were both attacked and they probably think they have survived because they are still writting.  But now their writting contains garbage and lies.  They're loosing/ lost their humanity as their infected minds are becoming glaringly obvious.  I think the matter isn't whether or not you do the show but the concentration of truth in it.  Isn't a high signal of truth more important than sounding "canned"?  I think approaching these things as experiments can be useful too.  In this way we are open to find truth and improvement and nothing is really set in stone.

I think your doing great work Lisa.  You and Victor have my support.

Shane

Anne made a comment to me the other night.
She said (paraphrasing), "At first, they (the posers) all thought you were one of them, but then after a while, they realized that you are NOT one of them, that you actually "believe" in this whole "truth" thing."

Thus, we exist outside the Poser circle. (Yeeaaah!!!)

I think she's right.  The Posers do not believe in the whole "truth" thing.
But they sure know how to project outward their simulation of "genuine, heartfelt concern for humanity and belief".  They sure know how to project the fear factor too.
Not to exclude the SMEAR factor, which appears to be a POSER SPORT.

Lisa

Christopher Bollyn hit an all time low.  
I am a parent and, while I stand in the line of a lot of fire, my children are totally off limits.  Anyone who would stoop to that level defies description.   There are not words ugly enough.

In conclusion,   I cannot understand why anyone would align with DBS and Eric Huffshite.