Nigel Kerner - Gray Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls

Re: The Neanderthal Legacy by Paul Mellars

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In other words, you posted it deliberately to sidetrack the discussion. That is called "manipulation."

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I have already answered this accusation in my reply to Corto.

Funny how when people say stuff like that they never mean it.

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And believe I mean what I said, it is your place and I am a Guest. I sincerely appreciate the possibility of posting some of my ideas (or others).

I was posting this when I saw another thread created labeled "Nigel Kerner - Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls". It was not my intention to create a new thread, simply Kerner has a different approach to this issue Neanderthals - CroMagnons. I thought it would be interesting to discuss it, because they are connected, but my posts were removed.

Laura, you say:

Please describe exactly what you are talking about and cite the thread and posts. You are making an accusation here and you damn sure better be able to back it up.

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It is not an accusation, it is an observation, something I saw in this forum, don't remember when and to who. I have nothing personally against you, believe me. I really appreciate what you have done. Only that in this particular issue I do not agree with your lecture of reality. It is only that.

You may certainly discuss things that you regard as relevant if they are within the purview of the forum objectives. But remember, this is MY house and what I regard as important, material and relevant takes precedence over what YOU regard as such, particularly if your opinion gets in the way of my objective. If you didn't come here to learn, then perhaps you should create your own website, forum, and do things your way? If you don't have any confidence that I have a clue about what I am doing, why are you here anyway?

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Completely agree, that's why I have decided to leave, it is your house. Moreover, if you think that what I regard as important, material and relevant takes precedence over what I regard as such, particularly if my opinion get in the way of my objective, more reasons to leave, it is not my intention to disturb you, sorry you understood like this.
Indeed I came to learn from all of you, but learning is a bidireccional process, we all learn from each other, I learn from you and too you learn from me. In my conception this is the knowledge path.

Al Today said:

There are many types of people that come & go within this forum. Continually kracks me up. Learning can be entertaining. I gotta thank rofo6850. If it were not for those postings, I would not have seen the concise synopsis that Laura has written. I mean... How much information must be processed to come up with the following theory?

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Interesting observation, there is indeed fun in learning, of course if and only if things are debated and opposite opinions are tolerated. Of course the Laura's concise synopsis does not suffice to me to prove this issue. I have several sources that could show evidence of the contrary. The "many types of people" is called diversity, you would find an amazing degree of it in the world.

I will not argue anymore, somehow I feel that I need to defend myself instead of my ideas and do not like this stance.

Re: The Neanderthal Legacy by Paul Mellars

Laura, you say:

You may certainly discuss things that you regard as relevant if they are within the purview of the forum objectives. But remember, this is MY house and what I regard as important, material and relevant takes precedence over what YOU regard as such, particularly if your opinion gets in the way of my objective. If you didn't come here to learn, then perhaps you should create your own website, forum, and do things your way? If you don't have any confidence that I have a clue about what I am doing, why are you here anyway?

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Why do you believe I think you have no clue about you are doing?. I have never said that. We have interchanged opinions in many topics and we have agreed. I do have confidence, that's why I am here.

But you should agree with me that we do not necesarily have to agree in "EVERY ISSUE", this is not a rational path. I repeat myself, it is very interesting and important what you have done, at least in my opinion. Howevere I do not agree with this particular lecture you have of this issue. It is only that, nothing to do with your person or nobody in this forum.

Re: The Neanderthal Legacy by Paul Mellars

rofo6850 said:

Precisely Kerner "stuff" is excellent, well researched, full or references.

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I read his first book and was not impressed in the slightest. It wasn't well-researched and in fact had very few references (of course, I can't say anything about his newest book, not having read it and having no inclination to do so). The entire first portion was word salad. In short, it read like it was written by a schizoid. A lot of intellectualizing, saying not very much at all.

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Interesting brainwave. I will prepare material to support another hypothesis, that of two general lines of ancestry to modern humans, CroMagnon and Neanderthal. There are some gaps in the scientific knowledge, specifically regarding what they name as the other ancestry line, the one that they call modern human.

There are some striking issues regarding physical traits if CroMagnon, white skin and blue eyes doesn't seem to be a natural adaption to any earthly climate, neither cold nor warm. Simply the radiation level of Earth seems too much for this kind of physical features. In fact one of the hypothesis of Kerner is precisely the easiness to produce genetic alteration in white skins via the inception of UV rays in many frequencies. Natural adaptations to earthly climate results always in dark skin and dark eyes, be them tropical africans or esquimos from the north pole.

It is quite suggestive what the C's have said regarding Aryans origins, if I remember well they said Kantek, the planet destroyed between Mars and Jupiter. Well, this seems to be physically much more suitable, the position of this now destroyed planet regarding distance from the sun results in much lower levels of radiation. They said they were physically and mentally stronger. This is coincident with Kerner stance.

To me is suggestive and amazing. Moreover keeping in mind it is precisely this group the one who has taken the control of the rest of humanity and the planet.

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I read his first book and was not impressed in the slightest. It wasn't well-researched and in fact had very few references (of course, I can't say anything about his newest book, not having read it and having no inclination to do so). The entire first portion was word salad. In short, it read like it was written by a schizoid. A lot of intellectualizing, saying not very much at all.

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This can be a suitable but childish manner of discrediting someone ideas. It is better to give details of what you do not agree instead of general commentaries and, worst, ad hominem arguments, the preferred by anyone who lacks arguments to convince others, dirty play at it best. Worst yet, you have no intentions of reading his second book, there is no point in discussing what you haven't read.

"If you can't cope with the message kill the messenger", well, we could do better, no doubt, this is close to obscurantism.

But sure it is not only Kerner who says that. The entire world is facing a dilemma that seems to be connected with this issue.

I wonder why you resist so much such a vision of reality like that, maybe lack of self criticism?

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And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so. Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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rofo6850 said:

And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so. Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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rofo6850, this is now sounding less like you are interested in objective truth, and more like you have an emotional agenda. Putting aside for the moment that this topic has nothing to do with this thread, again, do you have concrete examples to back this up this complaint? If so, what are they?

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rofo6850 said:

And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so.

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Often, only a few elements are necessary. Sometimes all it takes is a "blink". And of course, if it quacks like a duck...

Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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Who provided a diagnosis? If you'll read my post again, I said it read as if it was written by a schizoid. That can be because he's a schizoid or simply because he has internalized schizoidal thought patterns. But it doesn't change that his writings fit the model... It does take a trained psychologist to make an official diagnosis, but that does not mean that lay people cannot make informed assessments based on observable facts and characteristics.

rofo6850 said:

This can be a suitable but childish manner of discrediting someone ideas. It is better to give details of what you do not agree instead of general commentaries and, worst, ad hominem arguments, the preferred by anyone who lacks arguments to convince others, dirty play at it best. Worst yet, you have no intentions of reading his second book, there is no point in discussing what you haven't read.

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Best to re-read what an ad hominem attack really is. I never said his conclusions were all false, or that all his conclusions should be rejected because he reads like a schizoid. I was simply stating my impression of his first book, which I thought wasn't very good. His conclusions stand or fall based on their validity, regardless of whether he's a schizoid or not. But when psychopathology is possibly involved, that's a whole other issue. You may want to read Political Ponerology for the reasons why it's so important.

I wonder why you resist so much such a vision of reality like that, maybe lack of self criticism?

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What "vision of reality", exactly?

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Shijing said:

rofo6850 said:

And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so. Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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rofo6850, this is now sounding less like you are interested in objective truth, and more like you have an emotional agenda.

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Exactly. Which prompts me to wonder if rofo is not projecting when he asks:

rofo6850 said:

I wonder why you resist so much such a vision of reality like that, maybe lack of self criticism?

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Re: The Neanderthal Legacy by Paul Mellars

rofo6850 said:

This can be a suitable but childish manner of discrediting someone ideas. It is better to give details of what you do not agree instead of general commentaries and, worst, ad hominem arguments, the preferred by anyone who lacks arguments to convince others, dirty play at it best. Worst yet, you have no intentions of reading his second book, there is no point in discussing what you haven't read.

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Actually, I found AI's synopsis of Kerner's work useful and not at all a form of "discrediting someone". What exactly is childish about pointing out Kerner's writing is poorly referenced, researched, and written? Are you not able to differentiate between analysis and "childish discrediting"? The above reads more like a childish response than anything AI has written. The more I read what you have written, the more I see that you are the one who is unable to see clearly and that you have an identification with Kerner which is not allowing you see the facts clearly. In other words, you need to put that sacred cow out to pasture...

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Shijing said:

rofo6850 said:

And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so. Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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Putting aside for the moment that this topic has nothing to do with this thread...

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I understand now that this was in reference to AI's use of "schizoid," so it does have something to do with the thread after all -- apologies for the misunderstanding. That being said, AI has addressed this issue quite adequately above.

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rofo6850 said:

And more, you attach so easily psychological labels to people at the face of too few elements to do so. Are all of you trained psychologists?. Well, if you were, you would be aware of how difficult is to do an accurate diagnosis of a psychological disorder, it is often necessary many sessions of painful therapy and several tests to reach such a goal.

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Geeze dude or dudette!
The thread is gathering evidence of a specific kind. Cs are inspiration but the real work is looking at credible mainstream evidence that either disprove or fail to disprove a given hypothesis. If you have credible evidence that relates to the topic at hand, fine but if you want to discuss evidence for the kantekkian hypothesis that is better done on another thread.

I've never read Kerner so cant' speak on that. Thanks for all who shared a bit about it.
In response to your comment about psychology however, there are a few psychologist around here, in fact that is my training-biological psychology and behavioral neuroscience. Though that fact is not really that important to this discussion.

We are gathering evidence regarding Mellars work and in my view how it relates to the evolution of psychopathy. You said you have evidence for an alternative conclusion. The thing is you were given information about the type of evidence being looked at. If you think your evidence fits, not whether it supports or do not support but whether it is relevant, you could have posted it and let it stand or fall as it may. However, that is not really what you did. Whether or not you realize it or not, in this thread you appear to be forcing your own conclusions on us.

Brainwave

The conclusions you seem to be oriented to says more or less that psychopathy traits come somehow from neanderthal genes, and somehow it seems to be that those who carry this genes are semitic mainly. Of course, as a conclusion is highly problematic and it can be easily criticized, for example, facts or reality show another picture.

Remember carefully that what is now going on in Middle East is not due to a fundamental flaw in semitic people, it is not due to a "psychopatic gene or trace inherited from the neanderthals", the truth is plain and simple and can be accessed by anyone who read the news, it is not necessary for me to teach you that international zionism has nothing to do with semitic groups.

It is simply another colonial and genocidal enterprise made by aryan groups, aimed to depredate, conquer natural resources and wipe out indigenous cultures, (nothing new under the sun) as many, many you can find in the last 3000 years of known history, perpetrated as well by several aryan people. If you want to close your eyes to this fact, it is up to you, everything has a price in this world.

The C's material is indeed interesting, but for me is an expression of the collective unconscious, it is not property of anyone. My reading of them is indeed different than yours, they have been clear about the nature of aryan people. And I will continue reading this material, unless of course you close the forum.

Brainwave, I was beginning to post evidence, material I have to copy or scan from books I have when my posts were removed.

Shijing, it is common practice in this forum to do so, to qualify opinnions or points of view with psychological labels, I have already said what I think about it. For me it is an elegant and "professional" way of killing the messenger, no more than that.

And I noted the detail, you already equate Kerner (and me possibly) with New Age Cointelpro. It is funny indeed. :)

AI said

Who provided a diagnosis? If you'll read my post again, I said it read as if it was written by a schizoid. That can be because he's a schizoid or simply because he has internalized schizoidal thought patterns. But it doesn't change that his writings fit the model... It does take a trained psychologist to make an official diagnosis, but that does not mean that lay people cannot make informed assessments based on observable facts and characteristics.

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Well, this is a diagnosis, no doubt. You infer from his book that he has "internalized schizoidal thought patterns", wow, aint this a diagnosis? how could you possibly know that? it is only your opinion. You are not making an informed "assessments based on observable facts and characteristics", you simply are discrediting his book without a single concrete commentary or critic about his arguments or references, only providing an opinion about his purported psychological motivations (of course only in your mind).

Best to re-read what an ad hominem attack really is. I never said his conclusions were all false, or that all his conclusions should be rejected because he reads like a schizoid. I was simply stating my impression of his first book, which I thought wasn't very good. His conclusions stand or fall based on their validity, regardless of whether he's a schizoid or not. But when psychopathology is possibly involved, that's a whole other issue. You may want to read Political Ponerology for the reasons why it's so important.

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Yes, you never said it explicitly, however, you said it implicitly, it is very clear. If the guy sounds or read "schizoid" there is some problem with him and consequently with his book, it is not worth to read it. Bingo !! Problema resuelto !!!

Regarding your suggestion for me to "re-read" what an hominem attack really is, as we say in Spanish: "si tiene patas de caballo, cola de caballo y cuerpo de caballo, pues debe ser un caballo"- :)

Heimdallr said

Actually, I found AI's synopsis of Kerner's work useful and not at all a form of "discrediting someone". What exactly is childish about pointing out Kerner's writing is poorly referenced, researched, and written? Are you not able to differentiate between analysis and "childish discrediting"? The above reads more like a childish response than anything AI has written. The more I read what you have written, the more I see that you are the one who is unable to see clearly and that you have an identification with Kerner which is not allowing you see the facts clearly. In other words, you need to put that sacred cow out to pasture..

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I have already explained why I think this. Regarding my Kerner's identification, it is contingent, it doesn't not have to be Kerner, there are many more, for example Eduardo Galeano, José Pablo Feinmann, Orwell, Huxley and others. All of them have pointed out this fact. The problem with latin american authors is that maybe are far from your conception of reality, they speak of a reality you do not know, you have never seen.

You have to keep in mind that in this age it is your people the one who is "leading" the process of destruction. It is not the semites. Maybe in preceding ages were the Atlantes, in this you are the "ones".