Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Green_Manalishi said:

Hi all.
I have very simple question. When it is recommended that the most important thing to do everyday is the meditation, is it referring to the last 20 minutes or so of the audio part of the EE program? Just listen to the prayer of the soul (and after saying it by yourself in your head) while breathing deeply?

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Yes. It is recommended that we do the POTS every night before going to sleep. And we should do the pipe breathing every day, too, during the day when we have a moment. Or several moments. :) Or when we start to feel stressed. If you can work the pipe breathing into your morning schedule and do it regularly early in the day, that is also good. But the POTS is the part that Laura recommends we do consistently every night.

Another doubt. In the meditation part of the audio should we be doing the pipe breath throughout all the recitation of the Prayer of the Soul, or just normal deep breath.
I also don't understand why Laura in the end counts backwards from 5 as if snapping someone out of hypnosis, do some people tend to be in a very light state of hypnosis when listening and meditating?

Green_Manalishi said:

Another doubt. In the meditation part of the audio should we be doing the pipe breath throughout all the recitation of the Prayer of the Soul, or just normal deep breath.

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Normal deep breath - in through the nose, out through the mouth. You do start off the Prayer of the Soul meditation by doing several pipe breaths, but once you are relaxed your breathing should return to normal deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.

gm said:

I also don't understand why Laura in the end counts backwards from 5 as if snapping someone out of hypnosis, do some people tend to be in a very light state of hypnosis when listening and meditating?

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You'll understand this more when you get more relaxed with the program. The meditation usually puts people into a deeply relaxed state, as meditations should. The count back up is merely a mechanism to help people exit the meditative state in a less jarring manner.

How many times have you done the entire program? I can't recommend it enough if you've yet to really get into it - try it, you'll like it! :)

anart said:

Green_Manalishi said:

Another doubt. In the meditation part of the audio should we be doing the pipe breath throughout all the recitation of the Prayer of the Soul, or just normal deep breath.

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Normal deep breath - in through the nose, out through the mouth. You do start off the Prayer of the Soul meditation by doing several pipe breaths, but once you are relaxed your breathing should return to normal deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.

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This has been bugging me. During the Prayer of the Soul, I do normal deep belly breathing, in through the nose, out through the nose. For me, breathing out through the mouth is not normal nor is it relaxing. I have no problem during the pipe breathing and other exercises to breath out through the mouth. Does it really make that much difference during the POTS?

Nicolas said:

anart said:

Green_Manalishi said:

Another doubt. In the meditation part of the audio should we be doing the pipe breath throughout all the recitation of the Prayer of the Soul, or just normal deep breath.

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Normal deep breath - in through the nose, out through the mouth. You do start off the Prayer of the Soul meditation by doing several pipe breaths, but once you are relaxed your breathing should return to normal deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.

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This has been bugging me. During the Prayer of the Soul, I do normal deep belly breathing, in through the nose, out through the nose. For me, breathing out through the mouth is not normal nor is it relaxing. I have no problem during the pipe breathing and other exercises to breath out through the mouth. Does it really make that much difference during the POTS?

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I started out doing this in through the nose, out through the nose for about a month....upon revisiting the material I discovered I was doing it wrong, and switched to in through the nose, out through the mouth. Does it make a difference? Very much so.
I must admit I couldn't get as deep into the meditations to start with because I found breathing out through my mouth distracting.....but after a week or two at most I was Way deeper than I'd been before.
If I remember correctly, Laura mentioned that breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth synchronises the hemespheres of the brain, where as in and out through the nose does not. Now when I do the full program, during the resting parts (between breathing exercises etc) I breath normally, but in through the nose and out through the mouth. This way I'm synchronising the hemespheres continually for the entire program with no breaks.....it can make for quite an intense program. :)

RedFox said:

Does it make a difference? Very much so.
I must admit I couldn't get as deep into the meditations to start with because I found breathing out through my mouth distracting.....but after a week or two at most I was Way deeper than I'd been before.
If I remember correctly, Laura mentioned that breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth synchronises the hemespheres of the brain, where as in and out through the nose does not. Now when I do the full program, during the resting parts (between breathing exercises etc) I breath normally, but in through the nose and out through the mouth. This way I'm synchronising the hemespheres continually for the entire program with no breaks.....it can make for quite an intense program. :)

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Exactly - it is very important to breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth during the meditation. It took some getting used to for me as well, but now, funnily enough, if I'm really tired and can't do the whole meditation, but just want to quickly say the POTS before I fall asleep, it's really hard to NOT breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth while I'm saying it - I start doing it automatically!

You'll get used to it, I think - because I didn't think I'd get used to it either and here I am... ;)

Thanks RedFox and anart. I will work on the proper breathing and see what happens. :)

Hello all, I haven't posted here in a while, so I will give an update. Last Thursday I decided to cut the program short and just do the three stage breathing and POTS. I had some resistance to doing this when it was advised because I wanted to do as much as I could. But I had decided that I have been working too hard in many aspects and so doing just the necessary part will hopefully make things go smoother. I basically have just been stressing over time and doing. I recently completed two months of detox shakes and supplements and one month of saunas. At the end of the two months I stopped the shakes and it was a relief, they took about 45 minutes to make including cleanup.

The session went well and I was really tired and exhausted afterward for such a short session. I had been tired the whole week though, but I just kind of laid in bed after the music. My experiences continue to be subtle and with nothing too dramatic. I'm confident though that the bulk of the processing is not during the program and whatever you experience is what you need. My dreams seem to be harder to remember recently, but it still seems like there is a lot of activity and much more topics/settings, which might be why they are hard to recall. I'm still about 10 pages behind on this thread where I heard about saying the prayer first thing in the morning. I just started doing this, but I noticed something that was quite insightful and even funny. I sleep with earplugs and I woke up and said in my head the prayer. I didn't start cleaning the dirt particles? / "sleeping men" out of my eyes until I was at "Clear my eyes that I may SEE." I then pulled out my earplugs after this on the next line which is "Clear my ears that I may hear." I thought this was kind of funny and asked mentally as I continued with "clear my heart...", "I wonder what it's doing with this one?" Just a little symbolic quirk I thought I'd mention.

Lately I've noticed a program that has been quite hidden and very negatively influential. It's basically that I think I must always do something right, polite, or STO. I would just end up bashing myself and feel guilty for missing opportunities in external consideration, STO acts, etc. It just became overwhelming but I felt that in my knowledge I knew better. Anyways, I've identified it and haven't been so anal about not getting every opportunity to do something, sometimes it seems there's such a small window of acting. This is part of the reason I've went easy with the program, to lessen the load on myself (which I seem to have needlessly put). I was able to stop running the program, or at least reacting to it, through the idea that we cannot learn, read, or do everything. And we are also all on the same circle and can pull each other to our respective higher levels.

So, that's about it for me. Sorry if this post is too long, I could have posted in the Swamp, but I think I've gotten over it mostly. Furthermore, I find that the long posts of people's experiences and advice are the most helpful for me, in particular those around page 135.

3D Student said:

My experiences continue to be subtle and with nothing too dramatic. I'm confident though that the bulk of the processing is not during the program and whatever you experience is what you need. My dreams seem to be harder to remember recently, but it still seems like there is a lot of activity and much more topics/settings, which might be why they are hard to recall.

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This has been my experience lately as well -- E/E is comfortable, but there isn't much going on on the surface. I have had the same experience with dreams too -- since Christmas or so, I have had a very hard time remembering what I dreamt about, although I often feel that there has been something going on -- I don't know why it is. One thing I did notice was that during Christmas break, I was on vacation and missed E/E for a week for the first time since starting it, and when I started up again it felt really good to do so.

Shijing said:

3D Student said:

My experiences continue to be subtle and with nothing too dramatic. I'm confident though that the bulk of the processing is not during the program and whatever you experience is what you need. My dreams seem to be harder to remember recently, but it still seems like there is a lot of activity and much more topics/settings, which might be why they are hard to recall.

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This has been my experience lately as well -- E/E is comfortable, but there isn't much going on on the surface. I have had the same experience with dreams too -- since Christmas or so, I have had a very hard time remembering what I dreamt about, although I often feel that there has been something going on -- I don't know why it is. One thing I did notice was that during Christmas break, I was on vacation and missed E/E for a week for the first time since starting it, and when I started up again it felt really good to do so.

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Me too. All seems to be calm on the surface but the E/E is still as enjoyable as it was from the beginning. Its funny that you note this about your dreams because for me its always been the opposite. My dreams I could never remember unless they were traumatizing in some way but since the holiday season, not only have they been getting clearer for me, but they seem to have more meaning too!

During the meditation part I am still having the 'zone out' sensation but it doesn't last as long as it used to. Only about ten to fifteen minutes as opposed to twenty to forty before. It is during this time that I get the feeling that something is going on but I have no clue what.

I'm starting to remember more of what happens when I zone out and it actually seems like a lot of fun. Today I was on the ocean riding up and down big waves. There's a reason why I was there but I can't remember.

I experienced the time discrepancy again as well, where the time spent zoned out seemed much longer than the time I spent doing the meditation.

The meditation now has a certain ummm... softness about it. Like you get lifted up for a week or two, then drop down again, then lifted up again but this time it is easier, you can go higher, see more of your programs etc. Maybe that's what riding the wave thing was all about, the spiritual walk has a certain forward and backward motion to it. It's like knowing this allows you to keep your head when it looks like things aren't going well. Just ride it out, hold on and keep going.

anart said:

Exactly - it is very important to breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth during the meditation. It took some getting used to for me as well, but now, funnily enough, if I'm really tired and can't do the whole meditation, but just want to quickly say the POTS before I fall asleep, it's really hard to NOT breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth while I'm saying it - I start doing it automatically!

You'll get used to it, I think - because I didn't think I'd get used to it either and here I am...

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Thanks for this anart, I'd been doing it 'normal breathing for me', rather than as indicated above. I'll certainly work on doing it this way from now on, thanks.

RedFox said:

Does it make a difference? Very much so.
I must admit I couldn't get as deep into the meditations to start with because I found breathing out through my mouth distracting.....but after a week or two at most I was Way deeper than I'd been before.

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Thanks for posting this as a starter, RedFox; to get us back on line.

Trevrizent said:

Thanks for posting this as a starter, RedFox; to get us back on line.

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Glad I could help! :)
If its of use the way I breath is to relax my mouth and have it slightly open through the entire thing. Then all I do is press my tongue against the roof of my mouth while I breath in (so air goes in through my nose) and relax my tongue when I breath out (so air goes out through my mouth). Sometimes I open and close my mouth a little too, but mostly its all done with the tongue.
I took notice of how I did this after reading this thread last night, with the idea of letting you all know how I do it. Its actually quite effortless once you get going....and I'm starting to think touching the tongue to the roof of the mouth like this is helping some sort of energy flow?
You may become over aware of new sensations when you start to breath like this....its like the itching mentioned above, it may be a distraction but it will pass.

JP said:

I'm starting to remember more of what happens when I zone out and it actually seems like a lot of fun. Today I was on the ocean riding up and down big waves. There's a reason why I was there but I can't remember.

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Interestingly (and slightly annoyingly) I've not zoned out for some time now. I do however think that my dreams are where I'm either doing the stuff I would when zoned out, or I'm recalling things whilst dreaming. A few days ago I dreamt of driving (to a large event that was setting up)....I eventually noticed that my car windscreen was covered in furn leaves blocking my view...the more I looked the more blind I realised I was...and I was completely supprised/shocked I hadn't hit anything or run off the road! I leaned out the right window (oddly the car was left hand drive....this is not usual in the UK) to try and drag the furn leaves off the car....this didn't work so I stopped and got out (the left side) and cleared them easily. I was worried by how easy it was, and that when I'd get back in the car they'd still be there. (to me the whole thing seems symbolic of zoning out....stepping out the of your vehicle for a moment).
Fortunately when I got back in my car my view was now clear! Turns out I could see the car clearly too now....and was supprised by the type of car I owned (it was a car I could probably never afford in real life).

Shijing said:

This has been my experience lately as well -- E/E is comfortable, but there isn't much going on on the surface. I have had the same experience with dreams too -- since Christmas or so, I have had a very hard time remembering what I dreamt about, although I often feel that there has been something going on -- I don't know why it is. One thing I did notice was that during Christmas break, I was on vacation and missed E/E for a week for the first time since starting it, and when I started up again it felt really good to do so.

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3D Student said:

Last Thursday I decided to cut the program short and just do the three stage breathing and POTS. I had some resistance to doing this when it was advised because I wanted to do as much as I could. But I had decided that I have been working too hard in many aspects and so doing just the necessary part will hopefully make things go smoother. I basically have just been stressing over time and doing.

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Interesting.....I had the same thing happen with my dreams and did the same with thing with the breathing (in my case I actually stopped doing the program and just did pipe breathing and POTS before bed......which I thought was out of laziness) a month or two before Christmas. It seems that for me this was actually the best thing I could do!
Thanks to Laura for suggesting the shortened program, because it made me feel like it was ok to do.
I feel immensely healed from just doing that for the last few months......I'm aware there is more to go but it feels like something major changed in me in that time. New foundations perhaps because I feel grounded for once in my life.

I feel a constant calmness in the background even if I am stressed. And when I pay attention there is a constant joy in there too. It is steady and stable. It makes me want to sing! I've never been one for singing or even speaking much....but the last month or so I've been singing at full volume to CD's in my car :P
All my programs have gone nuts and gone into overdrive. But I can see them more now....and there is a gap forming between me and them. Not that I can do much about them (I try to none the less).....I've actually managed to Do a few things too....and stop myself from beating up myself afterwards because 'it was pitifully small'. Breaking out of my habit of 'thinking about doing but never doing' is a big one for me.

Lastly...and I think this may be something important....I'm still trying to get a handle on my weight loss (that is I appear rather underweight for my height)....it dawned on my whilst doing the POTS last night that you have to strip everything back to the beginning to rebuild it properly sometimes. It seems this is what may(?) be happening to my body. I felt like I was a kid at that point........maybe this related to the discussion about appearing younger than you are.
I also became very aware that my thoughts and beliefs have shapes and form...and the flow of energy in my body is influenced by them. It wasn't very clear, but it was there none the less. :)

Thanks y'all for the replies, it's nice to know that some are having a similar experience and that it is helpful to do the program this way. Well, I've waken up today a little earlier to do some more things, and it's now time for me to do EE.

RedFox said:

If its of use the way I breath is to relax my mouth and have it slightly open through the entire thing. Then all I do is press my tongue against the roof of my mouth while I breath in (so air goes in through my nose) and relax my tongue when I breath out (so air goes out through my mouth). Sometimes I open and close my mouth a little too, but mostly its all done with the tongue.
I took notice of how I did this after reading this thread last night, with the idea of letting you all know how I do it. Its actually quite effortless once you get going....and I'm starting to think touching the tongue to the roof of the mouth like this is helping some sort of energy flow?

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It's interesting that you mention this RedFox. In Chinese medicine, part of the work is done through re-balancing of the energy that flows through meridians. There are supposedly 2 main meridians that run, very roughly explained in the following way: Governing Vessel Meridian, from the lower abdomen trough the perineum (pelvic floor) and up through the back and neck, entering the brain descending to finish in the upper lip. Conception Vessel Meridian: originates in the lower abdomen, ascends through the middle line in the centre of the body up to the lower lip, descending to finish in the stomach.
It is said that the tongue resting on the upper pallet connects the flow of these two channels. In Chi Kung for example (an ancient method of exercise for self healing in the Chinese culture), emphasis is given to maintaining the tongue connected to the upper pallet to connect the flow of these 2 meridians.

RedFox said:

Lastly...and I think this may be something important....I'm still trying to get a handle on my weight loss (that is I appear rather underweight for my height)....it dawned on my whilst doing the POTS last night that you have to strip everything back to the beginning to rebuild it properly sometimes. It seems this is what may(?) be happening to my body. I felt like I was a kid at that point........maybe this related to the discussion about appearing younger than you are.
I also became very aware that my thoughts and beliefs have shapes and form...and the flow of energy in my body is influenced by them. It wasn't very clear, but it was there none the less. Smiley

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I think that what you described makes sense, the stripping away to re build.
On the other hand, I don't know whether you have undertook any dietary changes, but in case you have, these might partly be causing the loss of weight. I have been loosing weight myself since I have changed my diet, and at the moment am at the verge of also looking slightly under weight. I guess the body might take a while to readjust to a new diet, and time is also needed to re-learn how to substitute unhealthy products for the healthy food that maintains the body within balance.