Athanasius
The Force is Strong With This One
Hello,
I copied into here my full comments on the article titled Fascism, the next generation (presented on sott.net at 9th of May within Best of the Web series).
Originally I posted part-by-part because of the 1500 character limit on commenting posts. Sorry for mistaked spellings (my english is far from perfect). I am open to disscussion: the topic has manifold layers, below I have tried to give highlight to some relevant and important issue.
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I am a hungarian sott.net reader. I have found sott.net 2 years ago and since that time I am a regular reader: I think this is an independent and honest effort of yours to show to people the real situation on our suffering planet. But now I am totally confused.
I only hope that the man or woman who has chosen this article as a so called 'Best of the Web' has made a good-intentioned mistake and not a wanted one.
The writer of the article seems to repeat the baseless blames of the zionists-supported local and global western media... So, Porter wrote she has been in Hungary. Really? And she also 'collected personally experiences here'? Hmmm. Let me add interesting shades to the picture.
Everybody has sorry about the assaults on gypsies but there hasnt any connection proved between those and between Jobbik (that party isnt nazi: Jobbik wants to fight against crime and against zionist-backed economic crimes.) A few case when police has found the killers of gypsies then proved that those have been other gypsies, part of the everywhere very active gypsy local maffias. Interesting that the article-writer has been shy to mention this, hasnt it? Nobody know who are behind the Tatarszentgyorgy killings (maybe a separate fanatical killer or a fanatical nazi killer but also maybe gypsy maffia members as in the previous killing cases) but to make a connection between the killing and between the Jobbik without any evidence: now, I say that baseless blame is a real crime against honor. Not only attack on the honor of Jobbik but real attack on the honor of any hungarian who arent racists. According to my knowledge there are crazy killers and fanatics in every country (yes, in your country also, dear reader). Can we wait to evidences before add the name of Jobbik the name of 'devils'? Now I add some interesting more detail to you:
Aladar Horvath is in the pocket-speaker of the governmental party (which party - ruled by the remaining stone-heads from the communist era - currently has about 10% base in the total hungarian nation and has decreasing day by day). The writer of the article (or you, in sott.net) why hasnt written or shown article about the really honest gypsy leaders such as Attila Lakatos? As Mr. Lakatos openly disscuss about the issue: there are really heavy Gypsy Crime factor in Hungary and its an increasing problem. Gypsies (a local subculture - they origin from people who had wandered the world before) mostly dont want to integrate. I repeat, mostly – there are differences.
Government (the present one which is filled with remained heads from the communist era) hasnt given any real help for them: hasnt integrated them into study system, hasnt add them possibility to agriculture or anything. Now, Gypsies arent reluctant of theft, robbery, harder crimes. Their ‘culture’ seems to accept: to rob anybody who aren’t gypsy isnt crime but an ethical/acceptable act. Gypsy maffia members even step forward: they are robbing and assault the other gypsies.
Many hungarian towns has suffering because of pressure of Gypsy crime. More and more. And if anybody would like to say anything against it (against gypsy crime) then he/she can start to fear about safety because gypsies arent reluctant of quick vengeance. If direct vengeance cant be an easy path (let say the arguing people are policemen - see Miskolc cases) they cinically blame ‘racism’ on the real victims. Please, try to make effort to check unfaked crime news regarding Hungary to see better the situation before say any one word on us on racism against gypsies. I can write uncount examples if you really want. I not say folklore but real examples, even personal ones.
Interestingly, the article hasnt mentioned even briefly the greatest crime scandals of the near past. For example: gypsies killed an internationally acclaimed sportsman (Marian Cosma): gypsy maffia members (yes, they are part of a known gypsy maffia, it isnt some kind of tale from me, you can check it) has angered on something in a disco and knifed to death Mr. Cosma (his friends also receive knife attacks: one of them lost a vital organ after that). Everybody has known about that gypsy maffia but nobody has started anything before this exact crime (because policemens also corrupted by gypsy maffia's money and because the fear from them). To see in Hungary a gypsy maffia member isnt a difficult thing, not as problematic as to see (lets say) faeries: just check dark colored guys with very expensive clothing (they many times golden necklacked - this is their favorite) sitting in luxury cars (mercedes, audi, etc): you can find very easy them you need not to have special glasses. Mostly they havent kept any fake job but going to receive governmental unemployed aid (its not a joke: hungarians and honest working gypsies are perhaps the most frustrated on this openess from the terminator-confidenced gypsy crime-doers).
Further on: the killers of Mr. Cosma are young gypsies (in their twenties years): before the killing everybody sees they enjoy luxury villas, luxury cars, expansive lifestile but nobody wanted to risk own safety (or safety of family) to ask how could it possible them - without any job - these richess? Because the killing has caused international upheaval then suddenly police started to act and governmental office started to investigate... a cinical 'fast' act because normal working people suppressed often by tax office investigation but gypsy maffia members hasnt... they only investigated when international media made focus to a given special case. Others who hasnt get great spotlight never receive inspection.
But in this case (and similar cases) the western media mention only simple ‘hungarian killers’ (God forbid to write the truth that they are gypsies). In cases where gypsies are crime victims then - voilá - western media suddenly know the difference between ancient hungarian stock people and gypsies (plus add baseless claims - without evidences - that Jobbik and other rightwing probably connected). Again: assaults on gypsies are crimes. Important to know who’re behind the crimes.
To make a connection between Krisztina Morvai (Jobbik) and between fascism/nazism is equal as connection making between Sott.net and between terrorism. All two sentences are a very stupid blames and without any real base - hot bad air. Jobbik tries to do locally (in life, not only on the screen of the computers) what you - Sott.net - tries to do with your own tools via the Internet.
Lets step forward:
We hungarians are in real danger here and now. The israel-moneykings-backed zionists are want to buy up us totally. Now some of you maybe interested in to know more proof of this claim.
Israel has made a pact with hungarian government (signed 14th of April, 2004) that in case of real near-eastern war against Israel then Hungary need to accept 550.000 jews in Hungary - on top of the many jews who recently lives here (even Germany - second in line of countries in this kind of agreement in Europe - hasnt wanted to accept such more in the pact but only small part of it). Israel-centered zionist businessmen are build complete blocks/city parts to prepare the arrivals of the great number of jews. A nice local colorfull story for you readers: It has proved with evidences in the near past that many Mosad imparted/imported agents within the hungarian secret service have thanks each other with open 'Shalom'. Perhaps, if you are REALLY interested in whats going on in Hungary you could investigate some news about why are here the increasing presence of Mosad and Israel-supported military delegations? The Mosad virtually took charge of the hungarian secret service They want to suppress any voice against anti-zionism. Prepare to future.
Zionist interest is to make blame on the right-winged hungarians (who start to see whats going on here) and Mosad is active to try to fulfill media with baseless news about the demonised hungarian right wing such as Jobbik. Zionist interest is to make the situation so stressfull here that hungarians and hungarian gypsies (yes there are good people among them when they arent part of the gypsy crime organisations or try to integrate peacfully) at last would attack each other at the end (zionists has learned well this kind of tactic from real nazis): do you remember the nazi-prepared faked 'polish attack' - in reality, polish soldier-clothed polish prisoners had been killed showable evidence to the world - against Germany at the start of the 2nd WW?. Maybe zionist/Mosad are killing now the gypsies on the same reason? The unproven killing cases shows very high professional experience according to police and FBI: that kind of experience has more likely resulted as a secret service/Mosad training than a natural-born talent of a member from Magyar Garda (whose members are tipically average-joes with family and they havent done any harm: they are available to be help for those who arent able to pay for guards against local crime-doers). The last notes about perpetrators are just as possibilities as anything else before evidences but worth of consideration. And as I wrote before: until now any gypsy-killers proved has been other gypsies.
Just in this days there are great upheaval here because government – they hand-directed by zionist moneymakers – wanted to realise (after hungarian economical breakdown you could heard enough about our suffering from news) to privatise the water sources. We hope that the efforts of Fidesz and Jobbik will result in that Hungary can stop this act before its too late.
Hungary - one of the poorest country in EU - in the meantime has the richest (under)water-source in Europe. Not a wonder that the zionists are wanting to seize our water (a strategic goal in the future of mankind survival). Hey, my Dear: has anybody out there has seen the Zeitgeist film or has anybody heard about companies such as Bachtel and its kind?
Simon Peresz told at the 10th of October, 2007 (in the Hilton Hotel, Telaviv): Israel is so strong economically that they are able to completely buy up Hungary. … and this is an age-old plan of them as many of you probably know. A little house exercise: do any of you remember what world-famous zionist propaganda book has declared that the best country/area to zionists expanse would be Hungary/Galicia at the future? I think many of yours will remember it – or educate yourself.
Anti-zionism isnt equal to antisemitism. There are jews here (just search the names such as György Vámos) who are honest hungarians in their heart. Currently here in Hungary there is an increasing - zionist supported - anti-hungarian effort. To silence those locals who dont want to accept directed crime, who dont want to sell our water, who dont want to sell our beautifull country to globalists: to show people (who like Hungary) as stupid racists.
I will be sad if I would see that Sott.net has accept ‘liberal’ voiced article without any serious investigation about the case. If you are really interested in to know more about Jobbik you can check the homepage of it (www.jobbik.hu) or their exact program:
http://www.jobbik.hu/sites/jobbik.hu/down/Jobbik-program2009EP.pdf
Yes, its a hungarian file. If you has been open to comfortable cut out an article from international media (and put that into the Best of the Web section here) you are probably also open to translate some hungarian language material to see more clear picture.
Its would be easy to account me as a conspiracy-theory overridden man but I am not. I am not part of any political party – as a typical Sott.net reader I want to keep myself independent.
It will be the worst joke ever to me to realise that in this issue Sott.net would be a helper of the globalist/zionist regime's effort to blame unfair statements on freedoom-interested hungarians.
An unwanted tool is just a tool as we know. I cant believe Sott.net wants to be this kind of tool.
I really hope that you are open to free yourself to see the real truth in this topic: maybe you will realise the importance of the hungarian situation and you give some effort to investigate it.
A last note. In the article there are thick lettered words about “cuts”: the article writer proclame “quotated” words of Morvai. These “cuts” are absurd lies. Anyone interested in can read the book of Mrs. Morvai (title: Magunkfajták, meaning: Our Kind in english): in the book there is clear explanation that ’their kind’ means the globalising, future-robbing, self-titled ‘elite’. So, ’their kind’ not mean (as Anna Porter tried to fake) „people employed by big corporations, the latter includes jews and roma” – I can prove this to you because I myself this kind of employed person.
But the last question is a true quote and after my comments you understand right whats behind it:
"Will you stand by," the flyer asks, "while government throws more aid at Gypsy criminals?"
I copied into here my full comments on the article titled Fascism, the next generation (presented on sott.net at 9th of May within Best of the Web series).
Originally I posted part-by-part because of the 1500 character limit on commenting posts. Sorry for mistaked spellings (my english is far from perfect). I am open to disscussion: the topic has manifold layers, below I have tried to give highlight to some relevant and important issue.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am a hungarian sott.net reader. I have found sott.net 2 years ago and since that time I am a regular reader: I think this is an independent and honest effort of yours to show to people the real situation on our suffering planet. But now I am totally confused.
I only hope that the man or woman who has chosen this article as a so called 'Best of the Web' has made a good-intentioned mistake and not a wanted one.
The writer of the article seems to repeat the baseless blames of the zionists-supported local and global western media... So, Porter wrote she has been in Hungary. Really? And she also 'collected personally experiences here'? Hmmm. Let me add interesting shades to the picture.
Everybody has sorry about the assaults on gypsies but there hasnt any connection proved between those and between Jobbik (that party isnt nazi: Jobbik wants to fight against crime and against zionist-backed economic crimes.) A few case when police has found the killers of gypsies then proved that those have been other gypsies, part of the everywhere very active gypsy local maffias. Interesting that the article-writer has been shy to mention this, hasnt it? Nobody know who are behind the Tatarszentgyorgy killings (maybe a separate fanatical killer or a fanatical nazi killer but also maybe gypsy maffia members as in the previous killing cases) but to make a connection between the killing and between the Jobbik without any evidence: now, I say that baseless blame is a real crime against honor. Not only attack on the honor of Jobbik but real attack on the honor of any hungarian who arent racists. According to my knowledge there are crazy killers and fanatics in every country (yes, in your country also, dear reader). Can we wait to evidences before add the name of Jobbik the name of 'devils'? Now I add some interesting more detail to you:
Aladar Horvath is in the pocket-speaker of the governmental party (which party - ruled by the remaining stone-heads from the communist era - currently has about 10% base in the total hungarian nation and has decreasing day by day). The writer of the article (or you, in sott.net) why hasnt written or shown article about the really honest gypsy leaders such as Attila Lakatos? As Mr. Lakatos openly disscuss about the issue: there are really heavy Gypsy Crime factor in Hungary and its an increasing problem. Gypsies (a local subculture - they origin from people who had wandered the world before) mostly dont want to integrate. I repeat, mostly – there are differences.
Government (the present one which is filled with remained heads from the communist era) hasnt given any real help for them: hasnt integrated them into study system, hasnt add them possibility to agriculture or anything. Now, Gypsies arent reluctant of theft, robbery, harder crimes. Their ‘culture’ seems to accept: to rob anybody who aren’t gypsy isnt crime but an ethical/acceptable act. Gypsy maffia members even step forward: they are robbing and assault the other gypsies.
Many hungarian towns has suffering because of pressure of Gypsy crime. More and more. And if anybody would like to say anything against it (against gypsy crime) then he/she can start to fear about safety because gypsies arent reluctant of quick vengeance. If direct vengeance cant be an easy path (let say the arguing people are policemen - see Miskolc cases) they cinically blame ‘racism’ on the real victims. Please, try to make effort to check unfaked crime news regarding Hungary to see better the situation before say any one word on us on racism against gypsies. I can write uncount examples if you really want. I not say folklore but real examples, even personal ones.
Interestingly, the article hasnt mentioned even briefly the greatest crime scandals of the near past. For example: gypsies killed an internationally acclaimed sportsman (Marian Cosma): gypsy maffia members (yes, they are part of a known gypsy maffia, it isnt some kind of tale from me, you can check it) has angered on something in a disco and knifed to death Mr. Cosma (his friends also receive knife attacks: one of them lost a vital organ after that). Everybody has known about that gypsy maffia but nobody has started anything before this exact crime (because policemens also corrupted by gypsy maffia's money and because the fear from them). To see in Hungary a gypsy maffia member isnt a difficult thing, not as problematic as to see (lets say) faeries: just check dark colored guys with very expensive clothing (they many times golden necklacked - this is their favorite) sitting in luxury cars (mercedes, audi, etc): you can find very easy them you need not to have special glasses. Mostly they havent kept any fake job but going to receive governmental unemployed aid (its not a joke: hungarians and honest working gypsies are perhaps the most frustrated on this openess from the terminator-confidenced gypsy crime-doers).
Further on: the killers of Mr. Cosma are young gypsies (in their twenties years): before the killing everybody sees they enjoy luxury villas, luxury cars, expansive lifestile but nobody wanted to risk own safety (or safety of family) to ask how could it possible them - without any job - these richess? Because the killing has caused international upheaval then suddenly police started to act and governmental office started to investigate... a cinical 'fast' act because normal working people suppressed often by tax office investigation but gypsy maffia members hasnt... they only investigated when international media made focus to a given special case. Others who hasnt get great spotlight never receive inspection.
But in this case (and similar cases) the western media mention only simple ‘hungarian killers’ (God forbid to write the truth that they are gypsies). In cases where gypsies are crime victims then - voilá - western media suddenly know the difference between ancient hungarian stock people and gypsies (plus add baseless claims - without evidences - that Jobbik and other rightwing probably connected). Again: assaults on gypsies are crimes. Important to know who’re behind the crimes.
To make a connection between Krisztina Morvai (Jobbik) and between fascism/nazism is equal as connection making between Sott.net and between terrorism. All two sentences are a very stupid blames and without any real base - hot bad air. Jobbik tries to do locally (in life, not only on the screen of the computers) what you - Sott.net - tries to do with your own tools via the Internet.
Lets step forward:
We hungarians are in real danger here and now. The israel-moneykings-backed zionists are want to buy up us totally. Now some of you maybe interested in to know more proof of this claim.
Israel has made a pact with hungarian government (signed 14th of April, 2004) that in case of real near-eastern war against Israel then Hungary need to accept 550.000 jews in Hungary - on top of the many jews who recently lives here (even Germany - second in line of countries in this kind of agreement in Europe - hasnt wanted to accept such more in the pact but only small part of it). Israel-centered zionist businessmen are build complete blocks/city parts to prepare the arrivals of the great number of jews. A nice local colorfull story for you readers: It has proved with evidences in the near past that many Mosad imparted/imported agents within the hungarian secret service have thanks each other with open 'Shalom'. Perhaps, if you are REALLY interested in whats going on in Hungary you could investigate some news about why are here the increasing presence of Mosad and Israel-supported military delegations? The Mosad virtually took charge of the hungarian secret service They want to suppress any voice against anti-zionism. Prepare to future.
Zionist interest is to make blame on the right-winged hungarians (who start to see whats going on here) and Mosad is active to try to fulfill media with baseless news about the demonised hungarian right wing such as Jobbik. Zionist interest is to make the situation so stressfull here that hungarians and hungarian gypsies (yes there are good people among them when they arent part of the gypsy crime organisations or try to integrate peacfully) at last would attack each other at the end (zionists has learned well this kind of tactic from real nazis): do you remember the nazi-prepared faked 'polish attack' - in reality, polish soldier-clothed polish prisoners had been killed showable evidence to the world - against Germany at the start of the 2nd WW?. Maybe zionist/Mosad are killing now the gypsies on the same reason? The unproven killing cases shows very high professional experience according to police and FBI: that kind of experience has more likely resulted as a secret service/Mosad training than a natural-born talent of a member from Magyar Garda (whose members are tipically average-joes with family and they havent done any harm: they are available to be help for those who arent able to pay for guards against local crime-doers). The last notes about perpetrators are just as possibilities as anything else before evidences but worth of consideration. And as I wrote before: until now any gypsy-killers proved has been other gypsies.
Just in this days there are great upheaval here because government – they hand-directed by zionist moneymakers – wanted to realise (after hungarian economical breakdown you could heard enough about our suffering from news) to privatise the water sources. We hope that the efforts of Fidesz and Jobbik will result in that Hungary can stop this act before its too late.
Hungary - one of the poorest country in EU - in the meantime has the richest (under)water-source in Europe. Not a wonder that the zionists are wanting to seize our water (a strategic goal in the future of mankind survival). Hey, my Dear: has anybody out there has seen the Zeitgeist film or has anybody heard about companies such as Bachtel and its kind?
Simon Peresz told at the 10th of October, 2007 (in the Hilton Hotel, Telaviv): Israel is so strong economically that they are able to completely buy up Hungary. … and this is an age-old plan of them as many of you probably know. A little house exercise: do any of you remember what world-famous zionist propaganda book has declared that the best country/area to zionists expanse would be Hungary/Galicia at the future? I think many of yours will remember it – or educate yourself.
Anti-zionism isnt equal to antisemitism. There are jews here (just search the names such as György Vámos) who are honest hungarians in their heart. Currently here in Hungary there is an increasing - zionist supported - anti-hungarian effort. To silence those locals who dont want to accept directed crime, who dont want to sell our water, who dont want to sell our beautifull country to globalists: to show people (who like Hungary) as stupid racists.
I will be sad if I would see that Sott.net has accept ‘liberal’ voiced article without any serious investigation about the case. If you are really interested in to know more about Jobbik you can check the homepage of it (www.jobbik.hu) or their exact program:
http://www.jobbik.hu/sites/jobbik.hu/down/Jobbik-program2009EP.pdf
Yes, its a hungarian file. If you has been open to comfortable cut out an article from international media (and put that into the Best of the Web section here) you are probably also open to translate some hungarian language material to see more clear picture.
Its would be easy to account me as a conspiracy-theory overridden man but I am not. I am not part of any political party – as a typical Sott.net reader I want to keep myself independent.
It will be the worst joke ever to me to realise that in this issue Sott.net would be a helper of the globalist/zionist regime's effort to blame unfair statements on freedoom-interested hungarians.
An unwanted tool is just a tool as we know. I cant believe Sott.net wants to be this kind of tool.
I really hope that you are open to free yourself to see the real truth in this topic: maybe you will realise the importance of the hungarian situation and you give some effort to investigate it.
A last note. In the article there are thick lettered words about “cuts”: the article writer proclame “quotated” words of Morvai. These “cuts” are absurd lies. Anyone interested in can read the book of Mrs. Morvai (title: Magunkfajták, meaning: Our Kind in english): in the book there is clear explanation that ’their kind’ means the globalising, future-robbing, self-titled ‘elite’. So, ’their kind’ not mean (as Anna Porter tried to fake) „people employed by big corporations, the latter includes jews and roma” – I can prove this to you because I myself this kind of employed person.
But the last question is a true quote and after my comments you understand right whats behind it:
"Will you stand by," the flyer asks, "while government throws more aid at Gypsy criminals?"