Hello Everyone
Thanks so much for your thoughts on this subject so far. Here are some more of my thoughts, I’ll start with this.
A few weeks ago, I was just like you Autobot, I wanted Obama to win. I would hear from so many people how he’s “the answer to America’s problems” and how he is “the next Martin Luther King”. So I started to question myself, and why I wanted him to win. I started to think, well wait… if he was so great than why would he be in such a place of power at this time. Would the PTB really allow it?
So I started doing some research, and after that I came to the following conclusion.
If you look in the dictionary for the word “False Hope” You should find a picture of Obama in there. Obama is like a fake fruit, it may look amazing and juicy on the outside, but you take one bite, and you’ll end up spitting it right out. To me, this election is not even about a two party system anymore. It is a one party system, Republican. Obama is a very conservative democrat and his views on many things, most importantly about the “war on terror” are very similar to republicans. That’s why so many republicans are voting for him.
McCain’s party is also “Republican” in name, but they are a joke. And more so than representing the Republican Party, they represent the Evangelic party. McCain is also very old and ill and the chances of his death within his first term of presidency is very high, which would put Palin in line for presidency. And she’s even crazier.
SAO-I don't think the effort to flip votes is by the PTB, it's most likely by the candidates themselves. They both want to get into that position of power. The PTB could very well not care which one makes it, they've both been more than likely vetted and pre-approved. I don't think the PTB need to "rig votes" to keep someone out of the office. If they didn't want Obama to be in office, you wouldn't even hear his name on TV or know who he is at all.
I very much agree with this. That’s how I see it too. If Obama was anything like MLK than he’d be shot already. He does not represent anything that MLK stood for, like peace. The word “peace” has a very twisted meaning in Obama’s dictionary.
An example of this is, Obama says he will hunt down Osama Bin laden to the ends of the earth and will kill him. What if one day, after Obama becomes president they get some news about how Osama has been doing dealings with Iran, and now he’s hiding somewhere in Iran. So than Iran becomes a sudden threat of national security (even more so than now) and must be dealt with by any means necessary.
Obama was asked during the presidential debates, “If Israel was attacked by Iran, would you put troops to protect Israel without going to the Senate”, and he responded that he would do anything within his power to protect Israel at all costs. So he didn’t say no.
To me, Obama is just a very good politician. He knows Nero linguistic programming well, and he uses it to its full extent in his speeches.
So after all the studying I did about him, I realised that it was a ‘wishful thinking I’ within myself that wanted Obama to “win”. But in the end, whether Obama wins or McCain wins, who are the real winners? Certainly not the people.
The way I see it is, if Obama wins than the American people will go back to the perpetual sleep. If McCain wins, it might raise some heads as to the legitimacy of their voting system since SO many people including the media is for Obama. Therefore, that may come as a shock and people may go
Autobot- Voting, the process, is a learning experience - thus the fun. The people in line, the looks on their faces, the murmurs, the smells and the emotions surrounding the event are quite potent. Just being there and taking it all in while observing yourself is an invaluable experience imho, and I wouldn't skip that for fear of 'sustaining the illusion'.
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but isn’t that like someone saying I’m going to just play World of Warcraft (WOW) just so I can observe myself and other people in it. Yet you know it’s a fake world and a fake system, and that your energy is going to nothing, but you just want to observe it. Aren’t you kidding yourself?
[...]Given all they do to dissuade voters, they don't want you to vote. So I will and I'll take more from the experience then the average bear, looking at all the gems along the path, so to speak. [...]
Bernhard--Who are "they" and who doesn't want you to vote? Seems to me everyone, from Celebrities, to Rock Stars, to Politicians (left and right) push everyone to vote, vote and vote! It's all about VOTING. That's the problem. People are so locked into the idea that they must vote and so loose ability to critical think and analyze before "doing" so. It's like "vote, no matter what!".
Seems more like the opposite. If you tell someone you are not voting, you are looked at like a traitor or unpatriotic.
So where do you pick up that "they" dissuade voters? I don't see it.
That’s how I see it too Bernhard, all I ever see/hear is GO VOTE! Just don’t be undecided, doesn’t matter who you vote for, just VOTE!
Namaste-Yes i do remember the blogging and everything else we did. But at that time France (leaders) was not as "american" as it is now. It might be utopian but maybe Ségolène Royal would have sold the France to the US less rapidly that Sarkozy. It could have made a little difference.
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but is this idea not the same as, let’s just delay the inevitable? Isn’t the point not to get to the inevitable? The inevitable being a fully corrupted government/system (not that we don’t live in one already, lol…)
I think, a good presidential candidate for America at this time would be ideally someone who more so than anything, questions the events that happened on 9-11. If someone like that were to come along and make it his first act as president to re-open the investigations of what happened on 9-11, and who was responsible; no matter how ugly the truth might be. THAT is the true leader America needs right now. Not someone who believes in all the lies and follows the same path as the liars.
In closing, I’d just like to thank everyone again for their input; this thread has been much food for thought for me.
