Swerdlow Controlled via Satellite?

or "reductio ad absurdum"

Additional comments to "Reductio ad absurdum" by Laura added July 2005

It has recently been brought to my attention that there is an "ex-Cass Group" member who is posting rather libelous remarks about us on Internet Discussion boards. A reader sent these comments to me, and there is really only one remark that has any significant bearing on our work, and which I would like to address, the rest is just simply opinion (libelously written, at that) which seems to have developed from the singular problem of perception. Here is what was said:

From: OPie: I was also one of those who transcribed the original sessions. And, yes, when they were published on the website they had been changed. One was changed considerably. She had been charged with this by others before, and until I saw it happen first-hand, I didn’t believe it was true. I figured she changed punctuation or corrected things, but that’s not what happened with the sessions I transcribed. [...]

Now the problem with this is that if she changed the two that I transcribed, how many more of the sessions were tampered with? If you find one piece of work that’s bogus, how can you trust the rest? [...]

Allow me to give some background context in which to address this accusation.

As Ark has written above,

...the Cassiopaean channeling has characteristics of a scientific experiment. Think of scientists in their lab, working on the great laws of the universe. They perform an important series of experiments. They are trained professionals, they know their stuff, they know their laboratory equipment and its quirks. But they are human beings. Once in a while someone will make some dirty joke, once in a while they will have to discard a series of data, because mice have messed up their equipment during the night. Now, think, what advantage it would be if they would write in their paper the dirty joke, include the mice data, the ink blobs etc. etc.

That is not the way of science. And the Cassiopaean experiment will proceed as a scientific one. With scientific standards in mind. The Cassiopaean channeling is Critical Channeling. It is in this respect that it is DIFFERENT from other channeling. And it will stay so.

In the first few years of the experiment, I fell way behind in transcribing because I had so many things on my plate that I could barely keep up. A group member who regularly attended sessions offered to help me with transcribing, so I sent her home with a few tapes. When she emailed the transcripts back to me, and told me it was so "fast and easy" and she didn't understand why it was so time consuming for me to do it, I just figured that she must be a faster typist than I was and I didn't think too much about it.

BUT, when I read them, I found that what she had transcribed did NOT mesh with my memory of the session.

Okay, that's a problem. Maybe I remembered wrong, but I didn't think so. I got the tape out and sat down to listen to it while going over the written words in front of me. Sure enough, my friend had skipped entire words - even phrases - that she apparently deemed immaterial to the context, but which were crucial to the meaning of the C's answer. In other places, she had written "not" when it was not there, or had omitted a "not" that was actually there. This was really disturbing because it completely reversed the meaning of what the person was asking, and thus, reversed the answer the C's gave!

Just to make sure that it wasn't ME who was unable to hear what was being said, I asked a couple other people to listen with me while going over the transcript. Seems that I wasn't in a state of delusion: the errors were really there.

What was obvious was that this member - who was otherwise very talented - was unable to transform spoken speech into written speech accurately. Not only was there a problem with missing words or words put in that were not there, the text was full of dangling participles and either devoid of punctuation, or had the wrong punctuation. This often had the result of changing the sense of what the person was saying. Here, I need to make it clear that I am talking about the discussion of the attendees, as well as their questions, and not the C's answers which are a different matter. There was also a repeating problem of the wrong person being designated as having said something when it was actually someone else who had said it. All of these problems changed the meaning of many things and I was very dismayed to realize that I couldn't just go in and fix a couple of things, I had to actually just do the whole thing over again.

I theorized that part of the problem must be because she had just gone through it so fast. I asked her how she had gone about the process. She told me that she had just typed up the written notes, and then had fast forwarded over those parts, actually listening only to the questions, and typed them in rapidly. I then explained what had happened and she became very upset. I had to replay some parts of the tape to her, stopping it and starting it so she could really hear what kinds of errors she had made, and she was in a state of shock that her mind had done this. Well, she excused it as being "in a hurry" or being "stressed" and so on. I agreed that this was a reasonable explanation, and just made up my mind that she ought to stick to what she did best and leave the transcribing to me even if it took me awhile to get around to it.

I pondered this event for some time after, wondering if it really was just lack of patience and stress. Sure, we know that this can profoundly affect what a person hears or sees, but was it that simple? I had also noticed that this person seemed to be able to "hear" some people at the sessions better than others because what they said was more accurately transcribed than what someone else said. I was also aware of the person's feelings toward the individuals whose words were inaccurately reported, and there was a definite corelation. It seemed that there was a sort of "hearing bias" based in emotional bias and it was a very strange thing to observe indeed.

Now, let me say that I KNEW, without a doubt, that this individual was sincere and not deliberately messing up the transcripts. I knew she wasn't consciously trying to slant the text to make one person look good, and another look stupid. And yet, there were "reading errors" in her "machine," so to say.

Now, in transcribing the C's sessions, there is a significant problem: The notes are often "messy" because a person will start writing letters, then assume that they know what the C's are going to say, and will rush ahead to complete a word, while the C's are actually spelling out something quite different. Then, if the person realizes that they have anticipated and written the wrong word, they then may try to make the correction, which makes them fall behind, and it is impossible to catch up. They skip words, drop words, and even invent words. So, relying on the notes is not possible either. We generally try to have several people taking notes at once (if possible), hoping that what one person may miss, will be caught by another person. This is actually an interesting exercise. During a session, we frequently stop and have each person read back what they have written, and the differences are quite startling!

22 July 00
Q: (I) [Attempts to read back remark with some difficulty.]
A: Suggestion: try to inscribe letters without trying to break into words while writing. Otherwise, you will lose step!
Q: (I) That's right! I'm trying to anticipate what they are going to say. (L) And the interesting thing about this exercise is, it conditions your mind to NOT anticipate!
A: Which is good, indeed.

(I should mention that this excerpt came from a session attended by a group of women members of the Cass group who had traveled from all over the country to meet each other. Even though a couple of them later dropped out of the group, none of them has ever suggested that the session was presented inaccurately at all even though it was slightly edited for clarity. I should also mention that dozens of people have attended sessions and helped with note taking, and none of them have ever said that the transcripts were inaccurate or "altered.")

The problem comes down to this, you simply can NOT transcribe fast, and you MUST compare notes, and even then, it can have errors that require correcting. There is NO short cut. You have to listen to every word, every letter, and type it exactly as it is heard. THEN, you have to go back over it and try to get the exact sense of what the person is trying to say, and convert it into a decent sentence for the sake of the reader. Believe me, that is not easy. Nobody talks in complete, grammatical sentences. And if I typed it exactly the way the person talked, nobody would understand a thing with all the dangling participles, interrupted with "Uh" or changes of direction and subject. In some cases, this sort of thing had to be retained because the person speaking changed direction several times, bringing in several threads, and the Cs would respond to ONE of these, and not the rest... and then the other people present would respond to something else the person had said that the C's did not respond to, which then led off in a different direction, so in order for it to make sense, I have often had to type it exactly as it was said, no matter how confusing. I think many readers who have read the transcrips have seen a few such examples.

Well, there I was, looking at the fact that this friend and group member, who was so willing to be helpful, and whose sincerity could not be doubted in ANY sense whatsoever, obviously was not able to transcribe the tapes accurately because of a) a hearing problem; b) a patience problem; and c) an obvious internal bias problem. The the end result was that it took me longer to correct the transcript than it would have taken me to transcribe the tape in the first place. I decided that it was better if I just do it myself.

So, a few years later, again, I fell behind in transcribing. By this time, we had the Cass group and there were three people who volunteered to transcribe. So, copies were made of six sessions (I didn't want to send out the original tapes), and each of these three people got two sessions to transcribe each. You could say it was a sort of "test." Well, one of them was unable to do hers at all because the tapes were messed up. Rather than recopy them, since I was anxious to get them done, I just did them myself. The second person did hers and sent them back, and there wasn't any problem. I just did a check, reorganized the punctuation of the questions, made sure that the proper attributions were made as to who was speaking (she hadn't been present and could not know whose voice was whose), and there was no issue at all.

HOWEVER, the two sessions that went to the Third Person came back with problems that were acknowledged by the individual, some of which seem to be of the same sort as the ones described above when the member who actually was physically present at the sessions was unable to transcribe accurately! For some bizarre reason that I still can't quite understand, this individual was incapable of actually HEARING what was being said on the tape. And here, I don't mean that it was "un-hearable," but that what was being said somehow got twisted when it went in her ears and connected with her brain. Damndest thing I ever saw. The individual wrote to me about her transcribing problems as follows:

From: "Linda D***"
Subject: Re: Mailing tapes
Date sent: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:38:37 -0800

[...]

A couple of things.

First, the background noise on the tapes was REALLY loud, and seemed to get louder when something important was being discussed (interesting, isn't it?). There are a couple of places where I couldn't understand Ark. It wasn't his accent; it was a combination of him talking very quietly and the background noise being so loud. On the second tape (August 10), I got smart and put ** where I couldn't hear what was being said.

The first tape (August 7) had a spot in it where there was nothing recorded for a while. Then it picked back up right about the time I'd decided it was finished. Then when it ended, it simply ended. No goodbye or anything (actually, so did the 2nd tape). But the first one had a very strange ending. You were basically concluding the session and asking if there was anything you needed to know, should have asked, and so forth. The answer was "Hold on to me", then there was a sound like a heart beating, which became very loud, and the tape ended. On the answer, I've put the spaces in. It chould have been "Hold on, tom. M..." or "Hold on to m...". I don't know since it ended. [...]

The second tape was a little better quality than the first, though there were still a couple of areas where I couldn't decipher what was being said -- one in particular where Ark apparently asked a question, but I couldn't hear it (I say "apparently", because all of a sudden there was an answer).

Before I send the tapes back, I'll try to listen to them straight-through (as opposed to stopping and starting) with the transcripts in front of me and make sure I didn't miss anything. In the meantime, I thought I'd get them back to you right away; maybe between the two of you (or your notes from the sessions, if you have any), you can fill in any missing spots. If I find anything I've missed after listening to the tapes, I'll correct the transcripts and E-mail the corrected copies to you.

When I went over the transcripts she had sent, there were many problems that made her effort almost useless. Naturally, I had the original tape and not a copy to work from, but that is exactly the point. With all the problems noted by the individual herself, how can she even say, with such libelous certainty:

Notice how the first sentence above even implies that she has done more than two sessions... and how she does not even acknowledge the many problems she had with the tapes and with hearing, and so on.

Well, just to make the point, I am going to put her original transcripts side by side with the corrected ones here, and will have further comments to make after the reader has had a chance to judge for themselves: (Note that I will remove names of the "innocent" in BOTH transcripts below)

 

File as transcribed by Linda D 8/7/2001 Laura, Ark Q: Hello, hello, hello. Is anyone there? A: Hello. Q: You're supposed to watch, just to see what it does. (A) I will. Do you have a name? Tell us your name. A: Daohha. Q: Did you ever have a body of your own? A: No. Q: Are you here to … what are you here for? A: Cassiopaea. Q: Are you the 6th density beings who transmit through Cassiopaea? A: Yes. Q: I would like to point out that six days have gone by and no money came and, in fact, our world is a disaster. Well, actually our world is not a disaster. It's a lot cleaner than it was, but we still are confronted with some real issues as to which way to go and what to do next. A: Money will come. Q: All right. What was behind … what forces were behind Vincent's action? Were they simply 4th density manipulation, plus was there any Satanic cult activity behind his activities? A: No. Q: Was there any … was he, in fact, loaded with attachments, as I saw him in the viewing? A: Yes. Q: What was the source of these attachments? A: Rituals. Q: All right. What is the motivating factor behind his pushing for me to discover where the "grail" is buried? Was it simply his own desire to discover it? A: Yes. Q: Was he programmed to ask this question or to seek this? A: Yes. Q: What would have been the consequences if he had been able to squeeze the answer out of me? A: Death to you. Q: Sh … was he even remotely aware of that possibility? A: Yes. Q: Apparently he wasn't sufficiently aware of it to really believe it, I would think. He thinks it's still a game. A: Yes. Q: He doesn't really understand how serious it is, that if you really get close to the secret, you die. A: Yes. Nor have you. Q: So that's why you guys don't answer a lot of questions. A: Yes. Q: Well, that's a good enough reason, I reckon - to keep us alive. A: Offee talking (check tape) Q: What? (A) Who gave the orders … (L) Who gave the orders to Vincent? (A) Who is behind … OK, we know he was programmed. A: 4th density. Q: Let me ask this, since he was programmed, and that with the information he wanted to obtain, is it in fact true that 4th density STS either doesn't know or cannot access this secret? A: Yes. L: And they are as anxious for it to be discovered … in fact, they are the MOST anxious … A: Yes. Q: Hmm. Well, let's get back to the money situation. I know you say money will come. It needs to come fairly soon. A: Each question says the same thing. Q: (A) It doesn't make any sense. (L) Each question says the same thing. In other words, money will come. Is that it? A: Yes. Q: Are we supposed to continue trying to seek ways and means? I mean, that seems to be a natural and proper thing to do. A: Yes. Q: I mean, putting energy out seems to be like … we've got to do it. I mean, if you just sit there and think, "Oh, I don't have to do anything and money will come; that's not a good way to be. A: Yes. Q: Do you have any hints or specific areas that we could put our effort out? A: Basic research lot field. Q: Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basic research lot field. (A) Basic research A: Others propose Q: Others propose, I guess, right? Propose it to others .. Propose it to others? A: Yes. Q: (A) Who? (L) Well …Let me ask while I've got you here this silly question B** has got going on. Don't you laugh, honey. What he is saying is … B*** is reading some material that suggests that this planet is a breeding ground for aliens, and the life cycle of the aliens, as in the Reptilians or whatever, may mimic something, such as a preying mantis. It also alludes to the suggestion that the underground of the earth is kind of a dormant stage for the female, and it is the male that is returning or that does return at the end of each epoch, and that the focus of this appears to be the great pyramid, and that if we move to STO - it doesn't say those words but it's the same - much terror can be avoided as the return of the male dragon will die for love for the female. Okay. Is the earth a breeding round for some kind of aliens as suggested in this passage? A: No. Q: Hmm. So this stuff that this guy has made up about this is like right out of his darkest nightmares. I mean the worst possible spin that could be put on what he has come up with. It's already bad enough. So Bruce really ought to forget this and just get some sleep at night, huh? A: Yes. Q: What is the source of this type of material? I mean, what kind of energy is behind it? A: STS mind control signal. Q: What is it designed to do? A: Reach those that are programmed to receive. Q: Let me ask you this - If some of these STS programming signals that are going out … I mean, I'm assuming that some of them come from 3rd density. Is that correct? A: Yes. Q: Do they actually have, like, some place on the planet where these guys read science fiction books and get these really crazy theories and stories that they put together with sort of fiendish glee, and then convert them via computer into the programming code that gets beamed out into people's heads, while they sit there and fall down on the floor laughing at what they have just done? A: Yes. Q: (Chuckling) That's sick. (A): Why? Wouldn't you do it if you had the … (L) If I had the facility and abilities and I was sick like that … if I was sick like that, sure. I mean, just take a whole HP Lovecraft novel, convert it into the programming signal and beam it out - and people are saying, "My God, the aliens told me … it's just like HP Lovecraft said. Oh, my God!" Can you imagine? (A) And it works. (L) Sure does, doesn't it? (A) And we see what this guy _____ said to us about this _____ (igloo?) What he is saying, I think is true … they have these capabilities … (L) Yeh. (A) Inducing these states, you know, and it's coming, and there will be massive programming. (L) Yup. (A) And it's coming pretty soon. (L) What are Ophanic intelligences, as Vincent understands them? A: 4D STS. Q: Hmm. Well. We recently had a major attack from a bunch of Jews who were claiming that we were anti-Semitic because we didn't believe their religion, but we did believe they were special, which was king of a weird twist to that whole thing. Ummm … is this something that we should just back … I mean, you don't normally advise, but you know, I've been having thoughts about just simply pulling the material down off the site completely and just leaving the subject behind. This is what I've been thinking, and I would like to know if the future looks brighter with respect to ourselves if I do that. A: Yes. Q: I mean, I know it's courageous and all that, but it's not necessary. I mean, what's said is said on the site. (A) I had another idea, which I was checking, and we can put one or two pages out and put it on a different website that we have, which is not linked … not associated with Cassiopaea in any way, and we can just … instead of being on Cassiopaea, these pages will be on the _______ website, and you can always read the pages by clicking, go in there, then come back, and it would give us a kind of legal advantage, so that in case someone decides to attack, it would be not on Cassiopaea pages. (L) Yeah, well, I think that discretion at this point is probably the better part of valor. (A) What do you mean "discretion"? (L) In other words, not telling everything you know. (A) Right. (L), But, A: Good idea. L: Well, the thing was, I put it up … A: Jews will be destroyed anyway. L: Well, that's not friendly. So, it is better to pull it all down and leave them alone, let them fry in their own juices and do their own stupid things, and let them destroy themselves; because there's nothing anybody can do anyway? (A) Right. (L) I mean, there's no point in trying to … (A) No gain. (L) There's no gain for us, no gain for them, and … A: Yes. Q: Well, anyway. Well, that's pretty depressing. Have you got any questions about what you're working on that you were going to ask? I mean, we need to ask questions to groove or something. (A) Um-m. (L) I mean, just … (A) Um hm. (L) I don't really have any. We need to keep the … need to work this. (A) The thinking … (L) Yeah. (A) Okay, we what you do … okay, I don't have today questions. I didn't do my homework. We were so busy with this _________ and so on. So, okay, we should continue ________. So we will be coming back. (L) Yeah, I need to work. A: Yes. Root is strong because of prior grooving. Q: Okay. And we answered Bruce's question, and I can't think of any particular thing, and I think I'll just go in and take that page down … do it tonight. The whole Jewish thing. A: Yes. Q: All right then. Thank you very much. And, unless you have something that you know we need to know, or any questions that should have been asked that we haven't asked … (A) Right. (L) That's important now, please tell us. A: Hold on to me … (no further recording, though it is not the end of the tape)

Transcript as corrected by Laura 8/7/2001 Laura, Ark Q: Hello, hello, hello. Is anyone there? A: Hello. Q: You're supposed to watch, just to see what it does. (A) I will. Do you have a name? Tell us your name. A: Daohha. Q: Did you ever have a body of your own? A: No. Q: What are you here for? A: Cassiopaea. Q: Are you the 6th density beings who transmit through Cassiopaea? A: Yes. Q: I would like to point out that six days have gone by and no money came and, in fact, our world is a disaster. Well, actually our world is not a disaster. It's a lot cleaner than it was, but we still are confronted with some real issues as to which way to go and what to do next. A: Money will come. Q: All right. What was behind ... what forces were behind Vincent's [Bridges] action? Were they simply 4th density manipulation? A: Close. Q: Was there any Satanic cult activity behind his activities? A: No. Q: Was there any ... was he, in fact, loaded with attachments, as I saw him in the viewing? A: Yes. Q: What was the source of these attachments? A: Rituals. Q: All right. What is the motivating factor behind his pushing for me to discover where the "grail" is buried? Was it simply his own desire to discover it? A: Yes. Q: Was he programmed to ask this question or to seek this? A: Yes. Q: What would have been the consequences if he had been able to squeeze the answer out of me? A: Death to you. Q: Sh ... was he even remotely aware of that possibility? A: Yes. Q: Apparently he wasn't sufficiently aware of it to really believe it, I would think. He thinks it's still a game. A: Yes. Q: He doesn't really understand how serious it is, that if you really get close to the secret, you die. A: Yes. Nor have you. Q: So that's why you guys don't answer a lot of questions? A: Yes. Q: Well, that's a good enough reason, I reckon - to keep us alive. (A to L) Who gave the orders ... (L) Who gave the orders to Vincent? (A) Who is behind ... We know he was programmed. 4th density? (L) Let me ask this, since he was programmed, and that was the information he wanted to obtain, is it in fact true that 4th density STS either doesn't know or cannot access this secret? A: Yes. Q: (L) And they are as anxious for it to be discovered ... in fact, they are the MOST anxious? A: Yes. Q: Hmm. Well, let's get back to the money situation. I know you say money will come. Um. It needs to come fairly soon. A: Each question says the same thing. Q: (A) That doesn't make any sense. (L) "Each question says the same thing." In other words, money will come. Is that it? A: Yes. Q: So, we're just supposed to keep doing what we think is right and not worry? That's crazy. A: Yes. Q: Are we supposed to continue trying to seek ways and means? I mean, that seems to be a natural and proper thing to do. A: Yes. Q: I mean, putting energy out seems to be like ... we've got to do it. I mean, if you just sit there and think, "Oh, I don't have to do anything and money will come; that's not a good way to be. A: Yes. Q: Do you have any hints or specific areas that we could put our effort out? A: Basic research lot field. Q: Doesn't make a lot of sense. (A) Basic research? A: Yes. Others propose Q: I guess propose it to others? A: Yes. Q: (L) Well. (A) We can put an announcement on the web that we are looking for a foundation. A: Yes. Q: (L)Let me ask while I've got you here, some questions from a member of our group. He is reading some material that suggests that this planet is a breeding ground for aliens, and the life cycle of the aliens, as in the Reptilians or whatever, may mimic something, such as a preying mantis. It also alludes to the suggestion that the underground of the earth is kind of a dormant stage for the female, and it is the male that is returning or that does return at the end of each epoch, and that the focus of this appears to be the great pyramid, and that if we move to STO - it doesn't say those words but it's the same - much terror can be avoided, as the return of the male dragon will die for love for the female nymph. Okay. Is the earth a breeding round for some kind of aliens as suggested in this passage? A: No. Q: Hmm. So this stuff that this guy has made up about this is like right out of his darkest nightmares? I mean the worst possible spin that could be put on this? It's already bad enough. So we really ought to forget this and just get some sleep at night, huh? A: Yes. Q: What is the source of this type of material? I mean, what kind of energy is behind it? A: STS mind control signal. Q: What is it designed to do? A: Reach those that are programmed to receive. Q: (L) Let me ask you this - If some of these STS programming signals that are going out ... I mean, I'm assuming that some of them come from 3rd density. Is that correct? A: Yes. Q: (L) Do they actually have, like, some place on the planet where these guys read science fiction books and get these really crazy theories and stories that they put together with sort of fiendish glee, and then convert them via computer into the programming code that gets beamed out into people's heads, while they sit there and just - you know - fall down on the floor laughing at what they have just done? I mean, is this possibly something that is going on [meaning in secret mind control experiments]? A: Yes. Q: (L) That's sick! (A): Why? Wouldn't you do it if you had the opportunity? (L) If I had the facility and abilities and I was sick like that? IF I was sick like that, sure. I mean, just take a whole HP Lovecraft novel, convert it into the programming signal and beam it out - and people are saying, "My God, the aliens told me ... it's just like HP Lovecraft said. Oh, my God!" Can you imagine? (A) And it works. (L) Sure does, doesn't it? (A) And we see what this guy RC is telling us about this egroup, and it is... What he is telling us, I think is true ... they have these capabilities ... [Referring to mind control signals being utilized in rock music, rock concerts, etc] (L) Yeah. (A) Inducing these states, and it's coming, and there will be massive programming! (L) Yup. (A) And it's coming pretty soon. (L) What are Ophanic intelligences, as Vincent [Bridges] understands them? The ones he calls upon with his 30 calls to the aethyrs? A: 4D STS. Q: Hmm. Well. We recently had a major attack from a bunch of Jews who were claiming that we were anti-Semitic because we didn't believe their religion, but we did believe they were special, which was kind of a weird twist to that whole thing. Ummm ... is this something that we should just back - I mean, you don't normally advise, but you know, I've been having thoughts about just simply pulling the material down off the site completely and just leaving the subject matter alone. This is what I've been thinking, and I would like to know if the future looks brighter with respect to ourselves if I do that. A: Yes. Q: I mean, I know it's courageous and all that, but it's not necessary. I mean, what's said is said on the site. (A) I had another idea, which I was checking, and we can put one or two pages out and put it on a different website that we have, which is not linked - not associated with Cassiopaea in any way - and we can just - instead of being on Cassiopaea, these pages will be on a different website. And you can always read the pages by clicking, going there, then come back, and it would give us a kind of legal advantage, so that in case someone decides to attack, it would be not on Cassiopaea pages. (L) Yeah, well, I think that discretion at this point is probably the better part of valor. (A) What do you mean "discretion"? (L) In other words, not telling everything you know. (A) Right. A: Good idea. Q: (L) Well, the thing was, I put it up ... [unfinished remark was "to help" because of my deep sympathy for the Jews... but the C's cut in before I finished] A: Jews will be destroyed anyway. Q: (L) Well, that's NOT friendly! So, it is better to pull it all down and leave them alone, let them fry in their own juices and do their own stupid things, and let them destroy themselves; because there's nothing anybody can do anyway? (A) Right. (L) I mean, there's no point in trying to ... (A) No gain. (L) There's no gain for us, no gain for them, and nothing we can do. A: Yes. Q: Well, anyway... That's pretty depressing. (to Ark) Have you got any questions about what you're working on that you were going to ask? I mean, we need to ask questions to groove or something. (A) Um-m. (L) I mean, just ... (A) Um hm. (L) I don't really have any. We need to keep the ... need to work this. (A) The thinking ... (L) Yeah. (A) Okay, we what we will do ... I don't have today questions. I didn't do my homework. We were so busy with these other matters and so on. So, okay, we should continue another night. So we will be coming back. (L) Yeah, I need to work. A: Yes. Root is strong because of prior grooving. Q: Okay. And we answered B's question, and I can't think of any particular thing. And I think I'll just go in and take that page down ... do it tonight. The whole Jewish thing. A: Yes. Q: All right then. Thank you very much. And, unless you have something that you know we need to know, or any questions that should have been asked that we haven't asked ... (A) Right. (L) That's important now, please tell us. A: Hold on to me. End of Session

File as Transcribed by Linda D August 10, 2001 Ark, Laura Q: Hello? A: Hello. Q: And who do we have with us this evening? A: Viaggmoi. Q: And where do you transmit through? A: Cassiopaea. Q: I would like to ask if we can ask some questions about Vincent Bridges and Jay Weidner. A: Yes. Q: What are their intentions toward us? A: Bad. Q: What are their plans? A: Sipprormt (A) What? What? It doesn't make sense. (L) It wasn't a word? What are their plans? Q: Sippoutgag. (A) What? What do you … (L) Sip? Pout? Gag? (A) What is sip? (L) Sip means to take a drink of something - sip something. Sip? Out? Gag? What are they going to sip? A: Knowledge. Q: Oh, they took a sip of knowledge - or they're going to take a sip of knowledge? A: Yes. Q: And this sip of knowledge is going to make them pout and gag? (A) What is pout? (L) To just … (shows physically). Who are they going to get this sip of knowledge from that is going to make them pout and gag? A: Lawyer. Q: In other words, they're going to find they do not have a leg to stand on? A: Yes. Q: Well, are Vincent and Jay … or is one … is Vincent … I think I asked this already, didn't I? Is he really connected to these Satanic people? A: Yes. Q: Was he connected to them close to the inner circle? A: No. Q: Is he really an initiated Sufi? A: No. Karma is coming. Q: Do we have anything to be concerned about where they are concerned? A: No. Q: Do we need to take any further actions like putting more information on the website, any other things than what we are currently doing or have already done? A: Yes. Q: What? A: Some more web info. (A) What? Some more what? (L) Web info. (A) Oh. (L) Should I put on the Perseus site what we have discovered about Vincent? A report on his claim to fame? A: No. Q: What, in specific, on the web? A: Files make him (L) Files make him what? A: Sick. Move to gag. Q: In other words, I should put something else that would drive him to go to an attorney? Make him madder? A: Yes. Q: Should I post Jay Weidner's letter from this morning? A: Yes. Q: (A) What's the point? (L) To make him go to an attorney? I don't know. What's the point - I don't get it? (A) What's the point of making him go to an attorney? (L) Well, an attorney may tell them that they are crossing dangerously into the lines of being subject to a lawsuit themselves. A: Yes. Q: And I could also post Vincent's article or the letter he wrote himself about slander and libel. A: Yes. Q: Well, I don't like the idea of doing any of those things. They make me feel yucky. So why are you telling me to do them? A: How do you think Vincent will feel? Q: Well, he'll obviously feel more yucky that I will. ** Nothing's bad, seeing as I feel he lied. See if they send any more blasts in the morning. Hmmm…. (A) I don't think they said … if they decided to organize a conference, OK, they are somehow … will be in touch with these other people. And that takes ** to organize. (L) They're not organizing anything. Did you notice them organizing anything at all so far? They have no idea what they're doing. All they're doing is running a con job. They're taking people's money. That's all they're doing. (A) Well, for me, it's hard to believe …. (L) That's all they're doing. Is all this just a con job to put themselves in a position to take people's money? A: In part. Q: Well, I just can't imagine what was going through that man's mind when he wrote that E-mail. I mean, that man is like … I mean, I simply can't conceive of the type of consciousness that could occupy a physical body that could write that type of an E-mail. You know, it passeth my understanding. A: STS love. Q: Service to Self love. Well, boy, he must be exploding on himself, or imploding or whatever. OK. Is Infinity Publishing a … I don't know how to ask this question. We found this place called Infinity Publishing, where it's like print-on-demand, you know, have total control of the product, blah, blah, blah, and we think this is a pretty good way to go. Should we be focusing on this book deal right now, since we can do it this way, since we've been working on it. Should we continue to push on this or should we just push away and do something else? A: Do it now!!!! Q: Are we going to get any decent sales for our books? A: Yes!!!! Q: Are we going to be able to survive this flame war and attack from Vincent and Jay Weidner? A: No. Q: Why not? A: They will open the door to fame. Q: What? How can that be possible? Huh? (A) From slandering us? A: No, but have contacts who will be interested. Q: (A) They have … who? (L) They have contacts that will be interested. That's weird. Well, what do you want to ask them? Anything in particular? Is B*** an STS agent? A: No. Q: Do we have an STS nasty agent on our list? A: Yes. Q: How many? A: Two. Q: Have they been there a long time or are they recent? A: One each. Q: (A) One what? (L) One each. One has been there a long time and one recent. Is anyone on the list forwarding the list mail to Vincent? A: No. Q: I didn't think so. They're all pretty **. (A) There are two different agents? (L) Yeah. Is J** R** involved in Satanism? A: No. Q: Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey? (Long wait, then laughter) (L) They won't answer that … thought I'd slip that one in real quick. Well, was J** R** involved with that, as Vincent suggests? A: Close. Q: Do you mean he was close to it or involved with it? A: Close to it. Q: Was he involved with it in the sense of something that brought it about? A: No. Q: Hmmm. Let me see here. Let me think. Any questions you want to ask? There was something I was thinking about earlier today that I wanted to ask. Oh, so many questions I want to ask. I think about them, then when I sit in here, my mind goes completely blank. Well, do you have any messages for us tonight? Is there anything that we should be asking that we haven't asked? Something around the corner that we don't see that we ought to see, because we're both so tired - we've been working so hard all day. Cut us some slack here. Consider it asked (long pause). Is B** an agent? A: No. Q: (Laughing) Who would I think of next? (A) ** check tape or notes. Couldn't hear tape. (L) Oh, is M** an agent? A: Yes. Q: Is T** an agent? A: No. Q: Hmmm. (A) I think that it is good to have an agent, because if you have an agent, you are kind of … you know … (L) Yes. And they don't **, and if the one we've got isn't sending stuff out to Vincent, we'll just keep him. (A) Right. Because ** agent ** we don't know who that agent .. OK? (L) What happened to P**, by the way? God, she went off the deep end. (A) She .. the second time, right? (L) Yeah. A: Racial obsession! Q: (A) What? What? (L) Racial obsession. (A) What does that mean? (L) Well, she's obsessed with this Nordic business. (A) Oh. (L) You know, she's blonde and blue-eyed and she's special - she's chosen. (A) Oh. (L) She's the one. (A) OK. And if she's the one, and she's not appreciated as the one … (L) She's going to trash anyone who doesn't appreciate her. Yes, that's pretty much what S** was saying. P** has this mission and … (A) Um-hmm. (L) And she's got to figure out what this mission is, and it's to save our buns, I guess. Are we supposed to build some sort of technological device to take us into 4th density? A: Possibly. Q: Is the building of them that will do it or the devices themselves? I have a feeling it's the building and the knowledge that's going to do it. A: Yes. Q: Acquiring the knowledge to be able to do it puts you there. Awareness binds you to the reality. And I was reading this story by Plato about the cave today, and this whole thing is just so amazing. (A) What cave? (L) Plato's Cave, you know, you know … the shadows on the wall and everything, and he really said some interesting things there - a completely analogy of 4th density, all right there … (A) Well, in fact, when the C;'s mention Rodin **, whatever they are. (L) Yeah .. (A) And ** (check tape). (L) Well, I saw this thing in the mirror, this gadget that shot out this beam or whatever, was that the true, you know, image of some kind of a time machine or time-transiting device, or was that something that Vincent was projecting into my mind? A: Good catch. Q: Yeah, when I saw that picture on his webpage, I knew he'd been projecting that. He was sitting there focusing on it so I would see it. I told you, I showed it to you, didn't I? That was what I saw, that twisted up figure 8 thing. I couldn't figure it out, what in the world it was. Is there an object buried in France I'm supposed to find? A: Yes. Q: Are we doing to find it? A: Yes. Q: Can you tell us what year we'll be finding it. A: Two (tape ended and was blank for some time) Then picked back up: A: Holy grail. Q: What is the holy grail? (Tape noise gets very, very loud here; can't hear any voices) Q: Huh. I don't know if they were drawing something or just playing. Guess they're not going to answer that one. Hmmm. Well, anything you want to ask? (A) Yes. It's pretty fun to be talking, so we're talking … it's fun. So my question is, first, I want to know, should I continue friendship with this R** guy? A: Yes. Q: (A) Is it a good idea to write papers with him? A: Yes. Q: (A) All right. A: He is knowledgeable in diverse ways. He will help you. Q: (L) He doesn't seem so knowledgeable right now, does he? (A) Well, he does more practical things. He has some things that I don't know, but is able to control ** his mathematics. (L) OK. (A) And this is what I can do. Okay? (** Ark apparently asks question, but the background noise drowns it out). A: Yes. Q: (A) In other words, is that a kind of **? Oh, but I want to know why, because I have no idea why ** (L) Why the I Ching was so dead set against Motorola, boy … A: Give it time and you will see. Q: (L) Give it time and you will see. So … well, do we have any big explosions coming up in Israel? Do we have any volcanoes going off or any earthquakes or anything of real significance going on on the planet here? A: The solar activity is slowing down. Q: So I guess that kind of means no. Are we doing to get hit by a comet or an asteroid? (A) When? (L) When what? When are we going to get hit by a comet or an asteroid? They won't tell us that. (A) Why not? A: Knowledge does protect. Q: (A) What? (L) Knowledge does protect. Well, is Vincent doing any of his workings to try to harm us? I mean, is he out there with his robes on, and drawing his pentagrams, and chanting, and calling to the Ophanic intelligences to slam lightning and thunder down upon our heads? A: Close. Q: Is he getting frustrated that it isn't working? A: Yes. Q: (A) I want to know what is the effect of his relation to Lady Sekhmet? (L) What do you mean? (A) His wife. (L) Oh, you're wondering how he's getting along with her right now after he did are this stuff? Is she beginning to see through him in any way? A: Yes. Q: Is she furious with him for being a jerk (laughter)? A: Yes. Q: Was he deliberately trying to put the love bite on T**? A: Yes. Q: What were his motives? A: Control. Q: Well, I just … how many people are they going to have attend their conference? A: 26. Q: 26? (Laughter). All right. So .. yes, we're sleepy Tape stopped recording - nothing on Side 2, though it was indicated on the tape.

Transcript as Corrected by Laura August 10, 2001 Ark, Laura Q: Hello? A: Hello. Q: And who do we have with us this evening? A: Viaggmor. Q: And where do you transmit through? A: Cassiopaea. Q: I would like to ask if we can ask some questions about Vincent Bridges and Jay Weidner. A: Yes. Q: What are their intentions toward us? A: Bad. Q: What are their plans? A: Sip prormt Q: (A) What? What? It doesn't make sense. (L) That wasn't a word. What are their plans? A: Sip pout gag. Q: (A) What? What do you ... (L) Sip? Pout? Gag? (A) What is sip? (L) Sip means to take a drink of something - sip something. Sip? Out? Gag? What are they going to sip? A: Knowledge. Q: Oh, they took a sip of knowledge - or they're going to take a sip of knowledge? A: Yes. Q: And this sip of knowledge is going to make them pout and gag? (A) What is pout? (L) To just ... (demonstrates). Who are they going to get this sip of knowledge from that is going to make them pout and gag? A: Lawyer. Q: In other words, they're going to find they do not have a leg to stand on? A: Yes. Q: Well, is Vincent really connected to these Satanic people? A: Yes. Q: Is he connected to them close to the inner circle? A: No. Q: Is he really an initiated Sufi? A: No. Karma is coming. Q: Do we have anything to be concerned about where they are concerned? A: No. Q: Do we need to take any further actions like putting more information on the website, any other things than what we are currently doing or have already done? A: Yes. Q: What?