In the previous
chapter, we have noticed a couple of things (hopefully) that are very
instructive. The thing that repeatedly strikes me as odd is that MR. IL
- and many others of his ilk have done also - said this:
defensive reactions tell me that I've hit a nerve - at the core the
emotional wound - is based on the fear that I've seen what you have
hidden from yourself and are afraid to have reveal; i.e., that you missed
the mark here, that you are not perfect ...
all I've read, including her "Ancient Science" book,[The Secret History of The World] she doesn't
have a clue as to how to transcend the Matrix (imo), and because of
that is in a state of fear that requires her to defensively "act
up repeatedly from those individuals who then find it necessary to invade
our space or take it upon themselves to inform us, as IL has done, exactly
what OUR problem is: fear. We are "diagnosed" as full of "fear
... that you missed the mark" or "fear ... because she doesn't
have a clue as to how to transcend..." and so on. Now, read again
what the C's have said about the upcoming events:
if one desires to create a new race, what better way than to mass hybridize,
then mass reincarnate. Especially when the host species is so forever
ignorant, controlled, and anthropocentric. What a lovely environment
for total destruction and conquest and replacement... see? - Interesting,
as despite all efforts by 4th through 6th density STO, this "veil remains
But of course,
Mr. IL is assured that what HE knows about "transcending the Matrix"
is most definitely going to work because it is not "based on fear."
analyzing history for those who may actually know the "secret of
ascension" - as I did in The Secret History of The World
book - and to come to some idea of what this secret might be, we came
to the conclusion, by following the many threads throughout space and
time, that the process was that of the alchemical transformation, the
achieving of the Philosopher's Stone, the Discovery of the Holy Grail.
We notice that Mr. IL was not the least bit impressed with this material
because, of course, in the present day, there are all the New Age teachers
and philosophies and programs that negate not only the ancient clues of
the shamans and alchemists, but provide "new
ways and means of ascension" that are little different in essence
from the monotheistic religions that have held sway over our reality for
the past several thousands of years. And Mr. IL is unable to open his
eyes and look around him and see the conditions of the world, and connect
the dots to understand how those conditions came to be, or to "see
the unseen" in terms of realizing that what is being promoted as
the "New Age - Human Potential" philosophies are precisely the
same thing - Self Calming, Patching the holes so you don't have to SEE
what IS, and most especially, turning away from all of it - to where?
Why, within, of course! Turning within is the answer! Mr. IL has written:"I'd
recommend she query the C's clearly and in great detail about the process
for attaining a hyperdimensional state of being..." Apparently he
hasn't noticed that I have done precisely that, and the chief answer is
Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"
A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?
Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand
this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what
makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in
"third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be
allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology
of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to
things according to choice? Giving each thing or person or event its
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you
note that my last question was based upon a very particular set of ideas
- those of Ibn al-'Arabi, Castaneda in part, Ouspensky and Gurdjieff in
part. And I should point out that the C's have been on hand to guide me
through these many lessons, including those described in The
Wave Series and the Adventure
Series. All of these processes have been assisted by the C's, commented
on by the C's, so that we have had an ongoing feedback loop of our progress
in that sense; but in the greater sense, we have had the evidence of our
experiences! And we can assure the reader that there is, most definitely,
a "Staircase" of ascension, or a "Ladder of Ascension,"
or a "Tree of Life" of ascension, and progress along this Path
has been, since ages past, observed, noted, recorded, and explained in
great detail, though these works are little understood by purveyors and
followers of the current "modes of ascension."
IL has suggested we "ask the C's," let me share with you a clip
from a session a few weeks ago. An individual who used to participate
in our work regularly, but who had business and other interests which
took him away for over four years, came to visit and sit in on the session.
He wanted to participate actively, as he had done in the past, but the
A: Give rest to T**. He is detuned due to long absence. Ill fitting
energy resonance. T** needs to regroove.
Q: (J) We haven't been keeping up because we've been focused on other
things. We've been away for four years. (T) Gotta survive here too.
A: He is holding steady. Keep signaling. Sacred cows.
Q: (L) Sacred cows to the group is like when we hang on to certain ideas
that we ought to let go of and we're hanging on to assumptions and ideas...(J)
They're holding you back...(L) Right. We have a motto: "No Sacred
Cows, NO BULL." Are you saying T** has sacred cows?
Q: (T) Well doesn't everybody? (L) We don't. Not anymore. We learned
how to get rid of them, very painfully. It hurts. (T) I always considered
myself a sacred cow buster.
A: T** needs to get in the groove.
Q: (L) How does T** regroove? (T) Yes, how do I regroove?
A: First by spending time in learning to the same level as others in
Q: (L) Why is T** out of resonance?
A: Too long absence and cares of life.
Q: (T) Too much 3rd density?
A: Yes. (T) What do we do about it?
A: Interaction is highly desirable. Even if only he is in contact via
email. Grooving is long process. Q: (T) Well if it's a long process
what is required to start it?
A: Not loss, failure to keep with pace of rapid advancement of process
Q: (T) How do I get in the groove?
A: Networking works. Attention is a bi-directional signal. It works
best in an exchange.
Q: (T) Can it be the energy itself has changed? Or that each person
brings different energy?
A: Resonance that is pure is a property of co-linearity. It can resonate
thereby to a stronger signal of similar purity.
Q: (A) Co-linearity essentially means going in the same direction. (J)
You guys are co-linear right now, you have been since you've connected,
you've always been co-linear. So that's how it's grooved to your resonance
to each other. (L) Well the one thing that I think happened or is happening
with the group because of the interaction is that everybody is becoming
more or less co-linear. It's increasing exponentially. The group is
actually mind-linking and often dreaming the same dreams. It's amazing.
I don't even know how to describe it. It's not like everybody is the
same because everybody has their own particular perspective. But it's
like everybody is focused on truth, and they all contribute to it. It's
like a whole bunch of different people in a circle looking at something,
and they're all describing their particular perspective of it... (T)
Like describing an elephant. (L)...and the whole elephant is growing
out of it. (J) In other words it's building upon everyone's concentration
and their particular focus. It's like everyone's bringing and contributing
focus to the table and it's all building from that. (L) Yeah, that's
the only way I can describe it because everybody has individual perceptions,
but what we're learning is something in the middle that's growing out
of everybody's contribution. And then of course this person over here,
by contributing their view, that person over there is able to have access
to it, to know it. To share it. What seems to be true is that the very
act of that exchange links the group together in resonance...(T) That
makes sense. I've always felt that by having the material out on the
net, the more people read it the more they become attuned to it. Those
who fight it don't get anywhere. Those who don't fight it - those who
don't resist dealing with going through the fear to come out on the
other side in full awareness - make enormous progress.
A: T** has much of value to contribute as well as much to gain.
Q: (T) Okay, what are my sacred cows somewhat?
A: Your opinions. Many issues that might be opened to greater awareness
by the act of networking with many perspectives. It is important to
not close any doors. Doors are closed by not working with the challenges
to opinions of equal "strangeness."
Q: (T) So are there any particular opinions that you can begin with
that can point out that I can work on? (L) Oh T** you know you're not
supposed to ask that, you know better! (laughter)
A: He is trying to fool Mother Cassiopaea. Not today!
Q: (T) Nice try, no cigar (laughter).
A: No short cuts! Networking works!!!
Q: (T) Can you give me just a few more clues?
A: First you must choose your goals. Then you network with others with
similar goals to achieve them. What do you want? Graduation or repeating
Q: (T) Oh well graduation is always the best. (L) Well you know what
Gurdjieff said - 'No one can escape alone. You have to have a group
and you have to have a plan, and you have to work.' Nobody can do it
alone and you have to do it with the help of somebody's who done it
before. It's a very important thing he said about that. He said first
you have to understand you're in prison and then you have to learn about
the prison and you have to learn about how to get out, and you can only
learn about that from somebody who's already gotten out. And you can't
do it alone because it takes a whole team. (T) To get out? (L) Yeah,
that's what he said, and it's so true. Because the minute you start
wiggling around in the matrix, it comes down on your head. (T) Well
the matrix is programmed to keep us here. And keep us stupid. I have
a question. What happened to Ark and Laura's computer system this weekend?
A: Mainly it is a psychic signal of impending quantum shift.
Q: (T) Uh, can you expand on that a little bit?
A: Fluidity of reality affects such "hardware" which is sensitive to
such flux. Chaos is part of the conditions of the creation of a new
Q: (T) There's a lot of reality out there to break down... It's in the
process of breaking down. What is the quantum change that's coming?
A: This depends on the observer.
Q: (T) Any advice, thoughts, ideas, directions? Beside "discover."
A: Seek ye first the desire of the heart and all else falls into place.
I hope you
noticed that there were several important clues in the above exchange.
Let me put them together here: "Networking works. Attention is a
bi-directional signal. It works best in an exchange. Resonance that is
pure is a property of co-linearity. It can resonate thereby to a stronger
signal of similar purity. First you must choose your goals. Then you network
with others with similar goals to achieve them. What do you want? Graduation
or repeating the grade? Chaos is part of the conditions or the creation
of a new reality."
we come to the clincher: What is the quantum change that's coming?
depends on the observer."
I hope that
the reader has read the articles "To
Be or Not to Be," because there are important principles there
that are crucial to this issue of the "observer."
us look VERY carefully at how Mr. IL has described what he calls the "hyperdimensional
place of safety":
state of being is one in which there is unconditional acceptance of
all that is. This is a place within which one does not need to climb
a mountain to escape the catastrophes. This is a place within which
one does not attract negativity into ones life via the Law of Attraction.
This is a place within which one does not have unresolved unworthiness
issues or so very few that they do not act as portals for the controllers
to use to discombobulate divert and de-energize those trying to transcend
the Matrix and is in itself a place wherein which one transcends the
Matrix. Attaining this safe place [within] serves our destiny and
from this safe place we have no need to act against another
me as completely schizophrenic is the contrast between the first sentence
and the last one:
hyperdimensional state of being is one in which there is unconditional
acceptance of all that is. Attaining this safe place [within] serves
our destiny and from this safe place we have no need to act against
If a person
is unconditionally accepting all that is, why do they need to attain a
"place of safety within?" What are they hiding from?
hiding from the truth. They are hiding from Response-ability. They are
seeking to assimilate all to one singular idea. What we are witnessing
in the above is the astonishing effort to transmute the negative half
of existence - into a positive outline. Such "acceptance" contradicts
"attaining this safe place." This completely avoids the work
of third density - complete acceptance of all that is as the school, that
it is as it should be, and then learning to "read the symbols"
and give each thing its due. In other words, unconditional acceptance
means not trying to change anything or anyone, but rather choosing to
act for one's own destiny based on one's own immutable being, thus strengthening
one's polarity and divesting oneself of the "mixing" that is
the nature of what is - and doing it without any idea that what one does
not choose is "wrong," but that it is simply not "resonant"
with the self. In the above description of a "hyperdimensional state
of being," we see a perfect example of how "turning within,"
and "attaining this safe place within" is the denial mechanism
of 3rd density psychology whereby Stockholm Syndrome takes
hold and creates the belief that "good" things, developmental
things, positively proceed from acceptance of what is negative, and bringing
an end to resistance. What Mr. IL has shown us is that the STS program
of conquest and ultimate Soul-capture has been achieved in him. Mr. IL
shows us that the "New Age COINTELPRO" has maneuvered his thoroughly
beleaguered psyche into actively choosing the hypothesis with which they've
implicitly enveloped him: love of self.
what the C's have said? Attention is a bi-directional signal. Ra has told
us that Love is "focusing of awareness/attention onto something."
At the deepest level this is the most fundamental definition of it. This
focus can then be directed at many things in many ways. "How"
this is done and "what is being focused on" determines ones
"path". The above writer does not see that "focusing within"
constitutes NON-acceptance of the world as it is, and a judgment that
creation is to be eschewed in favor of the "sleep of self-contractile"
negation that what is "out there" has any reality at all.
the 3rd density, bodycentric mentality does not comprehend this little
item in its deep essence. The linear mind has interpreted this to mean
"if you focus awareness/attention on negative things" that this
will bring them into your life.
humdinger item that is entirely missed is this: the fundamental division
of focus is between Truth and Lies, between Objectivity and Subjectivity.
leads to the bodacious, humdinger PROBLEM and how humanity has been so
cunningly entrapped: Unconditional Acceptance of All That Is means that
one must Unconditionally Accept that God has Two Faces, and that one must
CHOOSE which Face to behold - that of Truth, or that of Lies. And this
choice is demonstrated by ASSUMING THE TRAITS. To achieve the face of
TRUTH, one must SEE truth, and assimilate Truth, and Choose Truth, and
demonstrate that choice by eschewing lies at the most fundamental level.
we find the hook upon which Mr. IL and others of his ilk have been caught:
the persistent intellectual pride which clings desperately to the belief
- against all evidence to the contrary - that evil just simply does not
exist, and that the way to make it cease to exist is to turn within and
hide from the truth. Any suggestion that evil is ontologically real -
that they might be being deceived - causes such people to fearfully clutch
their interpretation even more covetously, to guard this interpretation
jealously from any who might have a revealing word. And of course, the
schizophrenic part is that some aspect of the self of such individuals
KNOWS the truth, but has been completely suppressed, and must STAY suppressed.
But it can't stay that way if annoying people like Ark and Laura and those
awful Cassiopaeans keep pointing out the fact that it is NATURAL for good
and evil to exist, and that the reason for this is because that is how
Creation works at ALL levels. It is the STUFF of Creation, on/off, yin-yang,
good-evil, STO-STS, choice, and on and on. We must be suppressed at all
costs because we declare that, YES, TRUTH is the highest ideal because
it is only truth that leads to the Ever Expanding Love of God. And the
ideal of Truth can only be achieved by accepting what IS: Good and Evil.
That is the first step. Identify your Ideal. And then PURSUE it. And you
can only pursue it by KNOWING that LIES also exist and taking great care
to strengthen your energy in Truth so as to achieve the next level of
As we are
going to see shortly, such people as Mr. IL are brainwashed with the cunningly
deceptive New Age Age philosophy that they must "turn within"
for the truth. They are convinced that their "subjective truth"
is uniquely their own and that anyone with another interpretation ipso
facto has an ax to grind. We notice that Ark's attempts to shock Mr.
IL by repeating the OBJECTIVE FACT that he - and his friends - are proclaiming
"unconditional acceptance," but are effectively not practicing
it - were completely lost on him, and interpreted by him that Ark was
"afraid." And we notice him announcing from his lofty intellectual
peak of rationalization that Ark's "fear" was opening him to
"attacks," never mind that the attackers are always and ever
those same people who declare "Unconditional Acceptance" to
be "the way." They never seem to be able to get out of themselves
to see their own schizophrenia.
is, again, the key: they cannot get out of themselves.
they are afraid. And they cannot admit their fear because it would not
be "unconditionally accepting all that is" by their definition.
And so to escape from that fear of what IS, to be able to "unconditionally
accept it," they MUST turn within, they must "attain this safe
place within," where they can hide. And it is this self-protective
recoil upon which the STS manipulators rely. It is these psychological
properties of 3rd density consciousness which serve to convert
scenarios of Evil into full volitional acceptance. Mr. IL and his friends
"accept" and DEFEND, in full Will, like a snapping terrier protecting
its bone against all comers, the STS program of conquest and ultimate
Soul-capture. And and that is too bad, because by all I can determine,
Mr. IL is a man of gentle instinct and kind and benevolent disposition.
moving onto the important point: that "attention is bi-directional,"
and issue of: What is the quantum change that's coming? The C's answered:
"This depends on the observer."
that Mr. IL and his friends, by promoting the "turning inward"
to the "inner place of safety," are setting up a powerful signal
of contractile subjectivity. By denying that creation has any reality
other than whaty THEY give it, they are establishing a feedback loop with
subjectivity, STS. This means that, at the point of Macrocosmic Quantum
Shift, the arrival of the wave, this state of subjectivity will be the
"observation" that determines the outcome of their own personal
Quantum Change: they will most certainly find themselves in the STS 4
D reality. And it seems that Mr. IL knows this in some way because he
said: "It is we, not earth, that will face the 4d STS after the transition."
Apparently he doesn't realize that there are several options here. Those
who unconditionally accept the world as the school that it is, and get
down to the work of discerning the STO choices, thus "separating
the cream from the milk," will find themselves in an STO reality
where STS is simply not present. There will be no "facing of STS"
in 4th density by those who graduate to an STO realm. But apparently,
at some level, Mr. IL knows that HE will be facing 4 D STS, and in an
effort to be prepared to survive, is now practicing STS survival skills
- and again, in this remark, we perceive his terror.
Mr. IL perceives observing and stating the Truth as being "emotionally
wounded," or being "in a state of fear," or that it is
saying that "they" have power over us and "please let me
have my power back". And then the clincher comes:
go beyond this *powerless* state of consciousness to get to the consciousness
of a hyperdimensional state of being; we must acknowledge our own unlimited
power instead of giving it away. And, in that acknowledgment, we'll
find that we do not have to "act against". And, I say this
in full acknowledgment of the trials and attacks both Laura and you
have had. I recognize that right now we have completely different views.
business of "power?" And "OUR power?"
With a sinking
feeling we realize the Truth: Mr. IL sincerely believes that to love
self is to love all. And with some sadness - because we realize that
he doesn't even grok it - Mr. IL and his friends have become teachers
that teach love of self. They are propagating the doctrine intended, from
long ages past, to bring to fruiting a harvest of 4th density negative
or self-serving beings.
We see in
Mr. IL a sad demonstration of the servant in the Parable of the Talents
who hid his talent in Fear rather than face the uncertainty of going out
into the market and taking risks.
those who wake up and give attention to TRUTH experience Fear. But Courage
is the quality of facing Fear and moving through it into Light. It is
the quality that allows one to achieve the Quest, the Holy Grail, the
Philosopher's Stone. It is the quality of the Knight. Let's look again
at what Clarissa Pinkola Estes has said about "fear."
is a] wake-up call [that says]: Pay attention! Something has gone radically
amiss in the outer world. ....[Fear] serves as a warning to all of us
-- if you don't pay attention, something will be stolen from you! The
dreamer needs to be initiated so that whatever has been robbing her
can be recognized, apprehended, and dealt with.
the Bluebeard story we see how a woman who falls under the spell of
the predator rouses herself and escapes him, wiser for the experience.
The story is about transformation through knowledge, insight, voice,
decisive action. We must unlock the secrets and use our abilities to
be able to stand what we see. [As opposed to "attaining that place
of safety within" or "hiding from truth"] And then, we
must use our voice and our wits to do what needs to be done about
what we see. When instincts are strong, we intuitively recognize
the innate predator by scent, sight, and hearing... we anticipate its
presence, hear it approaching, and take steps to turn it away.
[In other words, acting FOR our destiny.] In the instinct-injured the
predator is upon them before they register its presence. We have been
taught to be nice, to behave, to be blind, and to be misused.
And in the
case of Mr. IL, we find this to be all too sadly true. We also see his
projection of this injury onto both me and Ark when he says: "your
defensive reactions tell me ... that at the core the emotional wound ...
is based on fear." And "Laura ... doesn't have a clue
... and because of that is in a state of fear that requires her to defensively
act against. We cannot transcend what we fight against." He completely
missed the context of the discussion in which the C's said that REFUSING
and REJECTING domination by STS should not be perceived as "acting
against another," but as "acting FOR one's own destiny."
And when I mentioned that such individuals fight tooth and claw to force
one back under their control once one has begun to move toward true freedom,
the C's simply commented that this was 4 D STS attack THROUGH that individual.
As the apostle Paul wrote:
God's whole armor, that you may be able successfully to stand up against
all the strategies and the deceits of the devil. For we are not wrestling
with flesh and blood, but against the despotisms, against the powers,
against the master spirits who are the world rulers of this present
darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly sphere.
Therefore put on God's complete armor, that you may be able to resist
and stand your ground on the evil day of danger, and having done all
that the crisis demands, to stand firmly in your place. Stand therefore,
hold your ground, having tightened the belt of truth around your loins
and having put on the breatplate of integrity and of moral recitude
and right standing with God. [Ephesians 6:11-14]
Mr. IL is
"instinct injured," and he projects that onto others because,
of course, when one has "turned inward" to the "hyperdimensional
place of safety," when one does not fully realize that it is not
against other humans that we are acting, but that we are resisting the
strategies and deceits and powers of 4th density STS that act through
them, there is no other way to interpret reality except that everyting
"out there" must be a reflection of what is "inside."
And, if one turns inside, they are assured that all that bad nasty stuff
that is "out there" will most certainly go away.
young and the injured are uninitiated. Neither knows much about the
dark predator and are, therefore, credulous. But, fortunately, when
the predator is on the move, it leaves behind unmistakable tracks in
dreams. These tracks eventually lead to its discovery, capture and
Ways teaches people when not to act 'nice' about protecting their souls.
The instinctive nature knows that being 'sweet' in these instances only
makes the predator smile. When the soul is being threatened, it is not
only acceptable to draw the line and mean it, it is required."
June 1997; Ballantine Books ISBN: 0345409876]
we wind our way through the labyrinth into the core being of individuals
who souls have been captured, and who are out there, acting as "teachers,"
working diligently to bring forth a rich 4 D STS harvest, let's look at
something very curious about all of this. Yesterday, while looking for
some information to answer the question of a correspondent, Ark stumbled
across an oddity on the Wingmakers
Forum. Someone posted the following:
October 10, 2002 08:54 AM
Q: We have a question about the Wingmaker's information that we pretty
much went through and analyzed at an earlier time, but never really
brought to the table here. Is the Wingmaker's thing a complete hoax
as has been suggested by some analysts?
Q: Is the Wingmaker's presentation a source of good clues if one can
figure out how to decipher it?
Q: Are the clues in the poetry, the pages of philosophy or the art?
Q: Is the story about the Wingmaker's information true?
Q: Is the Wingmaker's material "left" from the future into the past
for someone to find in the present?
A: Close. http://cassiopaea.org/cass/guestb17.htm
find there interesting opinions on the issue. And some familiar names
of the people who used to post here on our forum as well.
was curious enough, considering the fact that when I posted the excerpt
from the session where we asked about the Wingmakers, I did not add any
commentary which would have clarified the subject. The reader will notice
that the C's said it was not a "complete hoax," which was then
amplified by saying that there was only "some" of it that was
true. "Some" - when the C's use the term - is a polite way of
saying "very little." And this was what we had determined ourselves
by analysis, which was discussed at the session, but which was lengthy
and was not transcribed. This is one of the problems with people reading
these sessions without knowing the background, or what the context of
the questions is. When I asked the question about whether or not the Wingmaker's
material was a source of good clues, the INTENT in the question, as we
had been discussing, was that it was designed to lead AWAY from the truth,
and that we could discern possible truths by looking at the OPPOSITE ideas
I posted the excerpt, assuming that familiar readers would be able to
chew on it and grok what the C's were saying in their terse responses.
In any event,
the response to the above posting on the Wingmakers
discussion forum was even more curious. Someone named Frank posted:
the deep recesses of the closed and moderated cassiopean discussion
forum, WM has taken a very heavy beating.
What do you mean Frank? Sometimes I do not catch theses idioms. Can
you disclose the subject a little bit please? Namaste Peter
Sorry, I have no other details. A casual acquaintance told me this two
months or so ago. It could all be a lie (as usual [big grin] )
As it happens,
this was the time frame that we are going to talk about: late spring,
early summer of this year. The brief background is this: We had several
new members, all of whom declared that they were not lugging around any
Sacred Cow beliefs or opinions, and that they wanted to engage in the
Quantum Future School method of "networking" as taught by us,
based on our own initiation via the same process with the C's, and the
group experiments over the past couple of years with this process of "mind-linked
awareness" and co-linearity.
As it happened,
one of the individuals who joined obviously had a hidden agenda and was
carrying around a very Sacred Cow which amounted to the inability to let
go of the intellectual pride hook. Dangling from her "hook"
was the hidden intention of "setting us straight" because we
were obviously not "getting it." We didn't know this at the
time, but as it happened, she joined at the same time that a couple of
other people had joined, and the thing that they all had in common was
deep involvement with the Greer "Disclosure Project," Anna Hayes
and the "Guardian Alliance," and Wingmakers.
this individual began to "work in" her agenda. What became clear
rather soon was that, even though familiarity with the C's material is
a prerequisite for joining the School, she either had not read it as she
claimed, or had not understood it. She was certainly educated and articulate,
so I didn't think that she had problems in understanding. And so, the
only conclusion was that she had read it, didn't agree with it - or only
agreed with parts of it - and had decided to join the group to "save
us" from ourselves, or some such thing. In short, she had an ulterior
motive, and that motive was to promote the material of a New Age source
that clearly and evidentially has the sincere belief that to love
self is to love all.
be expected, the members of the group attempted to explain to her the
problems with the material she was promoting, and why. But here, it became
evident that there was simply no communication bridge at all. She could
not be unplugged. GG had been in the Matrix too long. As our QFS teacher
wrote above: "This type of manipulation shapes the way people perceive
the world. It is very powerful. After a certain threshold is reached,
the manipulatively distorted worldview becomes self-sustaining. - This
is how the system is sustained, I think. Since everyone is ill with the
same mental disease, it becomes "normal" to have the disease. And since
there is no reference point of how it is without the disease, hardly anyone
tries or even realizes that it is possible to heal it. "
One of the
more bizarre things that we have witnessed over and over again is the
fact that people will join our school, or one of our discussion groups
with such an agenda of one sort or another, and then, when we do not submit
to their "authority," when the group decides to examine and
analyze what they are trying to promote in order to come to some idea
of how much objective truth may actually be present, the individual who
is promoting an agenda then declares that we are "closed minded"
- or that the group is "brainwashed." And over and over again
this comes up for the simple reason that we may not wish to accept their
manipulations or because we challenge their ideas and wish to subject
it to deep study and examination. In other words, acting FOR our destiny
of seeking Truth is perceived - as Mr. IL above perceived it - as "acting
against" them. And the old disinfo saw that "what you resist,
you attract" is hauled out as proof that we are really gonna suffer
now because we have resisted their violation of our Free Will to CHOOSE
what we accept or not! And we are certainly going to examine it carefully
before we accept or reject it! This then results in their attacks, a sort
of "self-fulfilling prophecy."
the case of the Wingmakers, Anna Hayes material, and the work of Steven
Greer, we had already taken it apart and put it back together to see how
it operated and on what basis. Some of it has even been discussed on the
new member with an agenda launched her "turning within" and
"you create your own reality by what you give attention, so hide
from truth" agenda. And once she had done so, the other "planted
agents" (whether conscious or not) in the group, that had been waiting
for the "signal" to go into action, all went into overdrive.
It was from this platform that LS launched HER agenda. From here on, you
will be reading the actual posts to the group and you will see how the
exchange develops, and finally, how Wingmakers and other similar COINTELPRO
maneuvers "took a beating" in the "closed and moderated
I know I'll probably get slammed/flamed/skewered for this, but I also
did the unmentionable and attended a lecture given by Phil Gruber,
Anna Hayes' ex-husband -- last Friday night. I was curious (and had
many questions). Since then, I've received several e-mail from people
I've met in the UFO community here (who have read the Voyager books)
who wrote and said "watch out, you have no idea what's happened
GG, your perception of the nature and workings of this list seems to
be distorted. From experience, slamming, flaming or skewering is not
tolerated by anyone on this list. The reaction that you received from
members of the group was due ONLY to your insistence on discussing
the merits of information that had been concluded to be more disinfo
than anything else. Theories about the nature of 3D reality are the
topic of discussion on the list, with a view to coming to a conclusion
about them. Once a conclusion has been reached, unless some new info
comes to light, they are not later dragged up again to be re-dissected.
that you attended a lecture by Anna Hayes' husband is, I suspect,
welcomed by other list members. In fact this type of information gathering
is what is actively promoted here. The only qualification to that would
be that the potential value to be obtained from attending such a lecture
would depend on the mindset with which you approach the material offered
by the speaker. If for example you go with the sole intention of having
your existing beliefs bolstered, then the potential for gleaning new
knowledge or a deeper understanding would be limited. Naturally, since
the objective of the discussions on the list is to get to the bottom
of things, an objective attitude in such a case is always preferred.
a post from another member who had joined some time earlier and who had
become silent after a direct encounter with the way the group works on
speaking and interacting with one another only in truth.
It has been a while since I last posted, so I thought I'd better click
out a few words of hello, check in and maybe offer a few thoughts.
I wish to offer my condolences and support to our group members who
have recently lost loved ones or who are dealing with severe illness.
My heart goes out to you all. Sincerely. Keep your chins up and stay
strong. Absorb the lessons of it all and keep in mind that time eventually
heals all things. You're in my thoughts.
although I know it's not necessary, I think I would like to share with
you all why I just sort of dropped out of the scene this past month
after my initial "new member" introduction and my first few posts -
for those of you that actually noticed that I dropped out, that is!
:-) This, in order that perhaps we might learn just a little bit more
about emotional triggers and subtle forms of attack - or at least events
that some of us might perceive as attacks - "perceive" perhaps being
the key word here. I've been debating with myself for the last several
weeks whether I should actually venture out with this or not, but I
finally decided I'd better do or it would just sit there, nagging at
the back of my mind, until I finally did post my thoughts on this. Plus,
L** wondering about members who seemed to have dropped out or disappeared
provided an additional impetus for me, so - here goes.
just want to say before I get into this that I intend are being as brutally
honest as I possibly can be as I write this - both with you all and
with myself. At least I am going to try. Unfortunately, I'm usually
more successful at doing this with others than I am when attempting
to do it with myself, but we'll see what happens as I go along.
rate, to begin. A short time ago, I joined this list, made an intro
and wrote a couple of posts. One of the last posts I made related to
a thread having to do with a Russian website that had a couple of post-flood
scenarios on it. The exchange in this thread was mainly between myself
and Ark, with B** making an occasional "appearance", and most of the
exchange was an attempt by us to get to the heart of what I eventually
perceived as a misunderstanding. In the end, the source of the misunderstanding
was discovered, but the whole thing had left a really bad taste in my
mouth. It was shortly after that when I considered unsubscribing from
the group altogether, but I ultimately decided to just pull back for
a while and see how things went. I've never been one to give up easily
and despite having had my feelings hurt and my ego practically shattered
beyond repair (which is good, of course, although painful.), I decided
to stick it out, even if it was only as a "lurker".
was this? Why had I considering leaving? Well, mainly because of something
you wrote, Ark, plus, the general tone of the exchange, which was honest,
but seemed to be becoming a battle of the wills. The words you wrote:
"You could do many things yourself, if you were REALLY interested in
the truth." Still ring in my ears and still sting like the dickens when
I recall them.
may not have considered saying something like that as being offensive,
and there's probably quite a few others who might not either, but unfortunately,
I did. Those words pushed a huge, red, blinking, glaring emotional button
of mine - and pushed it and pushed it and pushed it again - every time
I recalled them. Firstly because it made me feel as though questions
were just barely tolerated and secondly, because it made me feel as
though you thought I was only "pretending" that I was a seeker of truth
and knowledge - that I was a phony, a fake, a charlatan - when I have
actually been asking all of those big "why" questions ever since my
mother died when I was 12 - finding some of the answers on my own, but
not nearly enough of them to satisfy me.
all of that with the fact that you had just prior to our exchange written
to me offlist to request that I not make references to digestive processes
after writing something about ExLax and again to ask me to "trim" my
emails to the list - BOTH of which I interpreted as reprimands and as
being TOLD WHAT TO DO - well, I nearly exploded emotionally, to put
it mildly. Those reprimands, if taken alone, I could handle - even though
being told what to do is another emotional trigger of mine - but combined
with the exchange we had regarding the Russian site, that nearly put
me off the work being done here completely. I thought to myself, "Physicist
or no physicist, who IS this guy to tell ME that I don't REALLY seek
truth and knowledge?? Who is HE to tell me what to do??"
as though I had been attacked by you Ark, and attacked for no good reason.
I hope you're not boiling now. [Laura's note: Ark was chuckling with
delight as he read this because it is always a joy to see someone wake-up!]
I said I was going to be honest, and I meant it, but I'm not finished.
This is all what I THOUGHT. Once I calmed down and got some distance
from things a little, I felt a lot differently, and I began to ask myself
questions. I began to ask myself why was it that I reacted the way I
did? And, was I justified in reacting the way I did?
I reacted the way I did, even though I am now sure that you meant me
nothing ill and had only my best interests in mind, firstly, because
of my own personal emotional buttons/triggers. I am very sensitive and
very emotional - and as a newbie, I was even more so then since I wanted
to be "one of the gang", wanted to be accepted. It wreaks havoc on the
old ego when right off the bat, you FEEL like you most definitely have
NOT been accepted as part of the group. Those emotional buttons are
obviously, something I need to work on getting rid of, or at least,
minimizing the effects of, because it is through these buttons that
4DSTS works through us.
that I may, indeed, have been attacked, but not by you, Ark.
I am also
extremely stubborn and strong-willed (I hate to ask people for help)
and one of the worst things someone can do to me is tell me what to
do. If it's a small thing, I usually fly off the handle. If it's something
more significant and I can see that there's a good reason for it, I
don't fly off into a fit - not any more, at least. I've improved in
that area now, although it's still a struggle. Ego, again.
the point of all of this chatter? The point is that we all need to be
aware that we are all different and all have different emotional triggers
and pushing these triggers can be a form of attack. These attacks, IMHO,
can and probably are used to keep potentially valuable contributors
from this group. I believe that the so-called "old timers" might need
to keep this in particular in mind when newbies come on the scene because
we (the newbies) are going to be even more sensitive in the beginning
than might otherwise be the case. If this is not taken into consideration,
then the group could risk losing people who could become valuable members.
I'm not saying that I might be one of those - probably not, since I
do not have the time or knowledge that others here do to contribute
in the way that I would really like to - but other newbies may be. The
nature of this group is so unique due to it's brutal honesty. Egos are
most definitely not massaged here, and that can be a bucket of ice water
in the face of a newbie if confronted with it on the first day or two.
I think that when newbies come on the scene, folks might be a little
more sensitive to this initially until the newbies adjust.
those are just my thoughts on all of that. I hope that it is taken in
the spirit it is meant to be taken in - the spirit of learning and discovery.
I also hope that at least a small portion of it made some sense. I've
had three little "distractions" (all under the age of 8) running in
and out of my office as wrote this - all wanting me for one thing and
another - so I hope this post is at least partially understandable.
discussion, we all agreed that "Newbies" ought not to be tossed
into the crucible so abruptly and now this member - who really showed
what she was made of in facing her own "stuff" here - has progressed
to the forming of the magnetic center in just a few short months.
struck a bit of a chord with me and although it related to your exchange
with Ark it also speaks to group exchanges and it is in that respect
that I would like to make and observation/comment.
recall the exchange but did not pay a great deal of attention since
it was not an area with which I am familiar.
was that you were called on an observation. Knowing nothing about the
reasons here I will not speculate but get to my point.
been considering the opposite problem in relation to myself; that of
not being called on an observation and the implications of it. I suspect
you position is the better one to be in. Granted it may have been a
little early and seemed to your mind to be harsh, at least what you
had to say was of sufficient substance to cause another to think and
respond. To my mind the response also showed a respect for your ability
to discuss the opposing viewpoints with objectivity. That you chose
to remain testifies to that.
we see things, depending on our side of the fence. We are on opposite
ends here and viewing these exchanges through the microcosm of our own
ego. They are not taken nearly so seriously by others, but the predator
mind tends to twist them until they eat us up and if they had their
way we would never post again and we would all be the loser.
way, I would like to say how much I respect the courage it must have
taken to make this post.
to CJ as follows:
here: Did you make an observation that you felt should have been "spotted"
and wasn't? I think that happens a lot due to the volume of posts. But
also, I think that it can also happen because the reader may think:
"well, I don't think that's kosher, but I think that so-and-so is going
in the direction of figuring it out and maybe if I say nothing, he or
she will get there all on their own." In short, it might be like watching
a baby take it's first steps and really having to restrain from helping.
times, it may be similar, only you see that the baby is gonna get hurt
and you had better intervene - even if only to distract attention away
from the dangerous direction.
To my mind the response also showed a respect for your ability to
discuss the opposing viewpoints with objectivity. That you chose to
remain testifies to that.
And getting to the point where we can do that is a major goal. Just
like Ken's discussion of Patterson and Gurdjieff - we can't be "identified"
with ideas under discussion and we can't be hypersensitive about honest
exchange of thoughts and ideas. And it seems that the only time this
happens is when we are "identified."
classic example of recent times is VB's rant that we are a "cult" because
we ejected him. He never, EVER understood that it wasn't because we
are not willing to discuss anything, but because HE wasn't willing to
discuss. His position was: "well, my ideas are right and that is all
there is to it, and any discussion of my ideas will be considered "attack"
and if you attack me by wanting to discuss my ideas, then I will attack
back by games and manipulation."
was more to this, of course, including the emerging discoveries of his
lies and manipulations in other areas, but basically, at the precise
point of his ejection, it was because of his emotional agenda revealed
in his farewell "spam" post.
really funny how, even after the group has discussed something and investigated
something up one side and down another, that any conclusion that it
isn't worth paying any further attention to is always attributed to
"Ark and Laura's mind control."
group can discuss enochian magic and decide it's nonsense - but that
becomes "evidence" of "thought control."
and again, we see folks who come into the group with an "agenda," and
they are completely "identified" with that agenda (another example is
JH and his "Catchers of Heaven" and Murshid Sam deal.) And the instant
anyone wants to just simply discuss it, it is perceived as an attack.
are buttons - sacred cows.
of you remember the guy - the professor of philosophy - what WAS his
name - who wrote posts that were 100 pages long that nobody could read
or understand - and when I pointed out that he was wasting everybody's
time trying to impress us all with his erudition, he got huffy and went
off to the M list and said he "quit" because we "talked too much!"
PRICELESS! That was the famous "shooting the sacred cows/Annie Oakley
I digress. Yes, I think that being honest and direct is more respectful
than babying somebody. But I also agree with Kris that sometimes we
DO need to baby newbies just a bit - and even each other on some issues.
KAH and I had the following exchange:
KAH, Thanks for your tremendous input on this subject. I would also
like to make a couple of observations.
thing that comes to mind is that you received a "shock." That shock
actually, based on your description of the subsequent events, acted
on you in such a way as to wake you up. My question is: would you
have been so shocked if the responses you received had not been so
And if you had not been shocked, would you have then performed a self-examination
that resulted in coming to some realizations about yourself and program
absolutely not, and I wish to make it very clear that I am extremely
pleased - NOW - that I had the opportunity to learn that lesson. However,
I do have to say that it has taken a good deal of persistence and will
and struggle for me to get over those feelings of being attacked. I
think that there may be some folks out there who, possibly coming in
as new members, might not be able to take such "tough talk" initially
and might leave. Some might then say, "Well, if they can't take the
heat, then they should get out of the kitchen.". But, what if one of
these new folks could have added some new exotic spice to the dish we
were preparing in the kitchen that would have made it into something
mouthwateringly delicious - a gastronomic miracle! - but they left because
it was too hot and stuffy in the kitchen? Then what? Who would be missing
out then? Not just the newbie, I would venture to say.
is, Laura, that I think we can ALL learn a lesson with this - not just
myself. Perhaps those who have been with the group for a long time could
be just a teeny tiny bit more patient with those of us who are new,
and just a wee bit more sensitive to the fact that we are just getting
started with the business of dealing with emotional triggers, programs,
putting sacred cows out to pasture, etc. You, Ark, B** and others are
all "old pros" at this business, so to speak (even though the process
is ongoing and never-ending, you are still a good deal farther along
in some ways that we are.), but we new folks are not. We're just getting
started and it's a long, hard journey and particularly tough just in
the beginning - as you well know. I'm not saying that honesty should
be cast aside - heaven forbid! - but what I AM saying is that perhaps
one can be honest just a little bit more gently at first with those
who are new and still trying to get to know the group and make a place
for themselves with you all. Does any of that make any sense?
I think that your point about having the bucket of ice water in the
first day or two is valid. But I guess you have also noted that the
same issues come up again and again - in different contexts -
these issue do seem to come up periodically, and probably will continue
to do so for some time yet - as long as new members arrive and as long
as we are all still stuck in 3D and in STS orientation. We've got a
long road ahead of us, but it's my understanding that we're all here
to help each other get further along down that road.
Very often, because of the nature of the group that you have so aptly
described, the experience of "newbies" is similar to the old fable
of the Tea and the Zen master: The fable describes a learned man who
visited a Zen master. The Zen master began explaining his philosophy,
but the learned man kept interrupting, saying, "Oh yes, we have that
too. Ah, I've seen that before." Finally, the Zen master stopped talking
and poured his visitor a cup of tea. Once the cup was full, though,
he kept pouring until the tea overflowed onto the table. "Stop!" exclaimed
the visitor. "No more can go into the cup!" "Yes," replied the master.
"If you do not first empty your cup, how can you accept my gift of
Believe me, I know I need to empty my cup and I am working on it, but
as I said, I'm only just getting started. You and others have already
emptied your cups and filled them up again many times. Please try and
be a little patient with those of us who are still learning how to sip.
the same period of time, there was another event going on, which was a
spin-off of the posting of several long extracts of the Anna Hayes material
by GG, and the polite information to her from several members of the group
that this had already been discussed at some length, and to avoid having
to go over old ground repeatedly, she might wish to search the archives,
read what had already been discussed, and then if there was anything new
to add, to bring it up. What happened then was quite amazing. Looking
back at it, it is hard to think that it was not a pre-planned agenda of
the several people who more or less tried to turn the group into a slugfest
in defense of the "truth" of the Anna Hayes material. They were
simply not interested in any research, in any objective evaluation, or
any comparisons or other views. And several of them were people who had
been in the group for some time, obviously pretending to be interested
in a different view, and only now, with the presence of GG, they revealed
their hypocrisy. So, here is what GG posted in response to the group's
rejection of the Anna Hayes material as a topic of discussion.
experience on this list reminded me of an experience I had at "ULT"
(United Lodge of Theosophists) twenty two years ago. As a newbie there,
I inadvertently broke a rule and it upset the members for months (some
members *never* forgave me).
is split in New York. There's the Theosophical Society on E. 53rd Street
and the United Lodge of Theosophists is on E. 72nd. I started attending
lectures at the 72nd street address when I moved to New York and lived
at a women's residence two blocks away. The ULT members study the Secret
Doctrine and Isis Unveiled with the help of material written by William
Q. Judge (the Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled are both very dense).
Unlike the other Theosophical Society that holds psychic fairs and classes
on a range of occult sciences, ULT does not approve of any occult practices
(astrology, numerology, etc.) even though one of their 'objects' says
they study the psychical powers latent in man. I still have a copy of
their magazine called "The Theosophical Movement," published October,
1980. There's a slogan on the cover that says, "There is no religion
higher than truth." The inside the front cover of each issue always
listed the objects: 1. to form a nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood
of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or color.
2. the study of ancient and modern religions, philosophies and sciences
and the demonstration of the importance of such study 3. the investigation
of the unexplained laws of Nature and the psychical powers latent in
I lived so close and because I had a mindless day job, I began to attend
lectures and study groups three evenings a week and all day on Sunday.
The people seemed nice and the information was interesting. After a
few months, I was invited to say something in their main hall. No one
told me that paper or props (such as a chart) was not permitted in a
presentation. I can't remember what I put together but I prepared a
small chart that contained some sort of analysis of something Blavatsky
had said. No one stopped me during my presentation but several members
pulled me aside later and told me I had 'broken the rules.' I remember
there was an older couple named the Fursts who frowned at me from that
weeks following the "incident," I can remember running into a ULT member
named Reed Carson at an astrology shop on Lexington Avenue. The shop
was run by a man I later learned was a total psychopath (Zoltan Mason).
Reed was a favorite member at the lodge and I could not believe we crossed
paths at Zoltan Mason's shop. Reed was a computer programmer and always
had profound things to say about William Q. Judge or Blavatsky. When
he spotted me in Zoltan's shop, he walked over to me and said, "you're
quite the iconoclast" with a weird look on his face. I was speechless
still feeling beat up over the "incident." In retrospect, I was sorry
I did not mention how surprised I was to run into him in an astrology
shop. I was very young and I was a whimp.
years have passed and the challenges I encountered in the male-dominated
computer business in New York tested my metal far beyond anything I
ever imagined (in contrast, the "incident" at ULT and the "incident"
on this list -- were nothing more than tame little disagreements in
a first grade classroom).
past week, the Voyagers books went back on my shelf and now I'm reading
Jane Robert's "The Unknown Reality" Volume I & II. "Seth" is on the
Voyager Intruder/Distortion list but I decided to read the books anyway.
There's a member of the New York Disclosure Project chapter (that I
belong to) who's read all of the Seth books and it's been interesting
to compare ideas (he's also read the Wave articles). BTW: Theosophy
taught "All is Life" that seems to be equivalent to "The Law of One."
Even though Theosophy has been called corrupt, there seems to be valuable
information in the material.
I'll probably get slammed/flamed/skewered for this, but I also did the
unmentionable and attended a lecture given by Phil Gruber, Anna Hayes'
ex-husband -- last Friday night. I was curious (and had many questions).
Since then, I've received several e-mail from people I've met in the
UFO community here (who have read the Voyager books) who wrote and said
"watch out, you have no idea what's happened to Phil. His material is
distorted." On Friday night, Phil mentioned he's been through hell but
did not give details (I can see the 'new' New Age is full of landmines).
About 90% of Phil's presentation was straight out of Anna's books. Several
of the 'extras' he added were impressive. What I took away from the
lecture was a reminder that "the universe supports whatever we believe."
I was reminded of the idea that 'thoughts are things' (taught in Theosophy).
The idea that we create our own reality is a theme in the the two Seth
books entitled "Unknown Reality" (I don't know whether this is a theme
in all of Jane Robert's other books).
only reason I'm able to mention Phil/Seth or Theosophy's "thoughts are
things" here is due to Sam and Laura's recent posts on Louise Hay who
teaches that negative, limiting beliefs can impact a person's physical
already started the Seth books before I attended Phil's lecture and
there were interesting correspondences. There's evidence of how much
our thoughts impact our reality -- all around us. Late last night, I
watched the Ananda Lewis show that's aired in NYC at 9:00 a.m. and re-run
very late. She had a high school guidance counselor on her show who
had a track record of encouraging every student to aim for their dream
of going to college. There was another guidance counselor in the audience
who stood up and told anecdotal stories about how guidance counselors
she worked with -- had advised students that they weren't "college material."
She said that fortunately, many students ignored that advice and applied
anyway. There are obstacles and then there are our thoughts. Obstacles
(usually perceived as evil -- I thought mine were -- although less and
less -- now I think of people obstacles as 'limited') are probably 4D
STS "Lizzards" utilizing people as conduits (the guidance counselors!!).
I think we're supposed to get beyond the dualities in this dimension
(good/evil, dark/light, day/night, etc. -- it's a theme everywhere you
look - with many traps that negate "The Law of One").
seem to exist to wake us up and they're very, very important (maybe
the more bizarre the shock, the better; maybe the subtle shocks don't
wake us up; the brutal shocks are like loud alarm clocks -- although
personally, I think I'd prefer a gentle nudge from a trusted colleague,
I'm not in favor of brutal shocks and I still search for nice people).
After all the 'he said/she said', one of the keys seems to be our thoughts
(they shape our reality). The high school student who "believed" he/she
was "not college material" probably did not apply.
believe we will be eaten, we probably will.
here (I'm still on the list).
GG. I do not know why you start with this. All the list members are
still on the list. What is so particular about YOU being on the list?
My recent experience on this list reminded me of an experience I had
at "ULT" (United Lodge of Theosophists) twenty two years ago. As a
newbie there, I inadvertently broke a rule and it upset the members
for months (some members *never* forgave me).
not break any rules yet. You were simply trying to bring the "teachings
of Anna Hayes" here, but this subject has been discussed in the past,
you can find it in the archives, and also this is not Anna Hayes list.
By now you have probably come to this realization ....
is split in New York. There's the Theosophical Society on E. 53rd
Street and the United Lodge of Theosophists is on E. 72nd.
theosophy, notice the comment in wave13e3:
Hedsel's teacher is suggested to be referring to A. P. Sinnet and his
connection to Theosophy and certain "revelations" that were
made in 1932 via the Brotherhood of Luxor, but I think that this was
a deliberate mis-direction. Gurdjieff was talking about mankind being
"food for the Moon" before 1914. Here we find the probable
cause for some of the distortion of information in the Way of the Fool.
Blavatsky claimed to have "inside information," but it seems
likely that what she was given was intentionally mixed with half-truths
and some lies."
happens, Rene Schwaller de Lubicz hung out with the Theosophy crowd
for a couple of years and most of his ideas can be found to be rooted
in this "occult uniformitarinism."
these movements: the modern Rosy-Cross, Golden Dawn, the German Vril
Society (which will bring us to the Thule Group where we shall find
Haushofer, Hess and Hitler) were more or less closely associated with
the powerful and well organized Theosophical Society. Theosophy added
to neo- pagan magic an oriental setting and a Hindu terminology. Or,
rather, it provided a link between a certain oriental Satanism and the
the dangers lurking behind theosophy and the neo-pagan Initiatory groups
that were more or less connected with Mme Blavatsky and her sect. "
I know I'll probably get slammed/flamed/skewered for this, but I also
did the unmentionable and attended a lecture given by Phil Gruber,
Anna Hayes' ex-husband -- last Friday night.
see, the point is that we do not care much about WHO is giving "lectures".
But we care for what is being lectured and where are the FACTS. Anybody
can lecture, and it can even "sound good" and "resonate" - but if it
is all nonsense and/or disinformation - why should we care? If someone
lectures on something but disregards facts, if somewhat proliferates
nonsense - why should we care? Facts, data - that is what we care about.
Critical analysis - that is what we care about. But we do not care about
Phil Gruber or Anna Hayes - unless they are are really big caliber disinformation
artists. Bur are they? Perhaps you can bring facts that will help us
I took away from the lecture was a reminder that "the universe supports
whatever we believe."
that IS nonsense. So, it seems, Phil Gruber and Anna Hayes are indeed
big caliber disinformation artists.
BTW: The only reason I'm able to mention Phil/Seth or Theosophy's
"thoughts are things" here is due to Sam and Laura's recent posts
on Louise Hay who teaches that negative, limiting beliefs can impact
a person's physical health.
see, the devil is in the details. One thing is to say "the universe
supports whatever we believe," and a completely different thing is to
say "that negative, limiting beliefs can impact a person's physical
thoughts affect MY health is totally natural. But that "universe" cares
what I believe in - that is nonsense and disinformation, that contradicts
facts and data.
is in the details. If you are not paying attention to details - you
are food for the moon!
If we believe we will be eaten, we probably will.
are repeating the same theme. YOU will probably be eaten if you do not
pay attention to little details that make all the difference. Like the
difference between 4 and 5. . But why do you use "we" in the above?
If I believe 2+2=5 - will it ever add to 5? I don't think so. But it
will add to 4. Little "details" that make all the difference.
to say, GG's sarcasm and insults were not even mentioned by Ark. However,
they were certainly noted by the rest of the group. But, rather then focus
on those things, most members took the proper approach of external considering:
her note with: If we believe we will be eaten, we probably will.
to be the core of the 'you create your own reality' philosophy. This
is another sacred cow which has been put out to pasture and there's
lots of good discussion concerning this topic in the archives. It seems
we do need to make some kind of list of major ideas and people we've
already investigated and discussed and have it available for newcomers.
If anything on the list is truly sacred to them they can read the discussions
first and then see if they want to stay on the list. To rehash all the
discussions will divert us from ever moving forward. DH
As is often
the case, for those who do not yet have sufficient strength, such posts
as GG's act to produce distress and confusion, and it was easy to see
that several of our struggling members were falling into internal quicksand.
I wrote to one of them:
like to just suggest that "generalization" is a trap. It is a generalization
to think that learning to be objective is to become an "unfeeling automaton."
It is a similar trap to the one GG made in saying:
only reason I'm able to mention Phil/Seth or Theosophy's "thoughts
are things" here is due to Sam and Laura's recent posts on Louise
Hay who teaches that negative, limiting beliefs can impact a person's
it is indeed true that our beliefs affect our reality, the process by
which this occurs and the way into and out of the trap is not so simplistic.
And here, again, Mouravieff is right when he tells us:
the same time, some of them demand "simplicity" from esoteric teachings
on the generally accepted principle that Truth itself must be simple.
They conclude from this that access to Truth ought to likewise be
simple. Then they assert that the methods to access Truth must be
argument would be perfectly correct if human beings and the problems
they face were simple and just. However, that is not the case. There
is a long road to travel from our state of distorted inner disorder
to any "original simplicity."
practice, the doctrine of "simplicity" - if regarded as an axiom -
turns the student aside from the strait gate and the narrow way that
leads to Life. Impelled by this counter-truth, he believes he stands
before this door, when he is in reality - although undoubtedly in
perfectly good faith - walking the wide path that leads to perdition,
ad majorem Diaboli gloriam, of course.
Doctrine of Simplicity, correct in itself, but wrongly interpreted,
becomes a snare for hearts and minds that are already too corrupt;
a danger which should be recognized and avoided."
to say that your beliefs or my beliefs make us ill and that all we have
to do is think nice thoughts or "change our beliefs" to get well amounts
to loading guilt. Because, of course, if we spend years thinking positive
thoughts or using affirmations, or doing workshops or whatever, and
nothing changes, then we will naturally come to the conclusion that
something is wrong with US, that we simply do not have the wherewithal
to think positively enough to change our reality. This leads to a couple
of other problems. The first is that, by consciously changing our thinking
with the conscious INTENT that we are doing it in order to change our
beliefs to change some state in which we find ourselves (or by attending
workshops or saying affirmations or whatever), amounts to the ipso
facto clear statement that something IS "broken" or wrong. This
is the belief upon which all fixing, or turning within to find a "place
of safety" is based. The "belief" that something is "broken" is
behind the attempt to change something, to deliberately believe otherwise.
problem is: this diverts us from understanding that God doesn't create
junk and that the REAL "I" is ALWAYS perfect and that our only difficulty
is the fact that this world of 3rd density is based on lies and liars
and the only reason we have been programmed to believe that there is
something wrong with us - which has led to our difficulties - is because
of this condition of the reality and the structures that it engenders.
leads to another realization: much of what we believe about the world
is formed in us before we are even at a verbal stage of development.
The care the infant receives in the earliest days, weeks, months, create
neural circuits that are foundational to everything else that ever happens
in the person's life. These become, effectively, the fundamental "belief"
programs in us. It is a pretty much "stimulus/response" mode of programming,
and when it is installed at times of imprint vulnerability, very long
and patient work may be required to wade through these programs.
chief thing that we know by gaining knowledge about these things and
about the nature of the 3 D world is this: Our real "I" is perfect.
It always was. It is the reality that twists and distorts it. Our job
is to undo the twists and distortions that have been programmed into
our bodies - our personalities - by the Matrix/3D world so as to get
to the REAL "I" which is perfect and innocent and divine.
be nice if we could just say: "the universe supports whatever we believe"
and derive a simplistic solution about it. But we can't.
the universe does support whatever we BELIEVE - but as always, the devil
is in the details.
center of the mind does, indeed, react to what we think. And when GG
states: "I think we're supposed to get beyond the dualities in this
dimension (good/evil, dark/light, day/night, etc. -- it's a theme everywhere
you look - with many traps that negate "The Law of One"." she has clearly
stated her belief - that something is broken. This suggests that the
key element we have talked about over and over again either has not
been assimilated, or has not been stated clearly enough. We are not
suggesting here that anything about the universe is "broken" or needs
to be fixed. What we are saying is that what IS is that there are TWO
options and - at this level- and that in order to move to the next level
we are required to choose. Those two options are what make creation
option promotes the "let's get beyond dualities" theme because it serves
the agenda of incorporating ALL to itself regardless of Free Will.
option says: "I'm o.k. and you're o.k. even if you are STS. I just don't
choose your option."
of One" is trotted out as evidence with no complete realization that
the devil is in the details there as well.
"occult" teachings and literature that have been delivered by various
sources since people began to decide that the "old time religion" wasn't
quite what it was cracked up to be, have missed the most essential point
about the levels of density. They have tended to assume that it's either
physical or ethereal. They have assumed that the "battle" is between
matter and spirit and that matter has to be "spiritualized" to end the
this is simplistic thinking with a twist. As Illion pointed out:
understanding in spiritual matters is the result of much bitter fighting,
of suffering, spiritual agony and soul passion. Life itself would
have no meaning if there was no fighting on all planes, if all was
smooth and monotonous. Everything fights in nature. Constant struggle
on all planes to which it has access is the birthright of the creature.
Woe to him who wants to put himself on a level with the Creator and
this is precisely the "sin of hubris" that is being promoted in the
idea "I think we're supposed to get beyond the dualities in this dimension..."
It is also a rejection of creation as the school it is which requires
us to learn the lessons, which are to CHOOSE one option or the other.
Illion again says:
how dreadfully clever and adaptable the Evil One is, and in how many
different and cleverly disguised ways he carries on his soul-snatching
activities. There is the appeal of wealth and power and the snare
of excessive care for the needs of the body. Many people sell their
souls to get them. Then there is the appeal of spiritual distinctions
and paradises. ... And for people who cannot be caught by either of
the two, there are subtle philosophical systems. Decidedly the devil's
shop is a well-stocked on; he caters for all possible tastes, and
his snares are everywhere. [...]
is in the details.
to make a comment here to draw emphasis to something that Laura has
illustrated with her full response. This is an excellent example of
what we are dealing with here. It is also an excellent example of my
contention that when any of us feel we are being attacked on a personal
basis, that is not what is transpiring.
is a mindset that appears to be necessary for what is happening within
the group. We have some taglines to identify it..."who sez"..."heating
the crucible" ..."putting sacred cows out to pasture" and for those
who have participated awhile, these little reminders or taglines are
often sufficient to accomplish the inner redirect necessary to work
past programs, manipulation and STS illusion. To the newcomer, these
taglines have yet to gain sufficient meaning to start that inner redirect
only say to look at any and all of these taglines or reminders very
closely and you will see across the board, that NONE of them have anything
to do with fostering personal attack or exclusion. They have come into
use and existence here because even though time may not be the linear
process we view it as, most of us feel that there is a huge amount still
to be done and we are attempting to utilize every "moment of now" to
accomplish the growth and lessons at hand.
exhibit this approach, we are not denying you as much time or circumnavigation
as you require to walk your path, merely presenting possible paths that
may cut more clearly through to your destination. You may utilize them
or not, that is your decision and we are comfortable with that....but
we are not attacking individuals, we ARE illuminating constantly for
each other, the approaches that we have individually and collectively
learned reek of manipulation and programing.
raise a ruckus rather quickly when we observe certain approaches, but
even that is not directed at an individual, rather directed at the approach.
You will notice that when I make comments. I frequently preface them
with perhaps or could this be, or what if, or any one of a dozen opening
remarks that all open my comment for discussion and conjecture rather
than create an initial wall of belief that must be either recognized,
walked around or torn down.
do this because I am some intellectual giant and know something that
everyone else here does not know, I do this because I am walking this
path too. I do this because I want discussion and conjecture - I don't
want finite knowledge, I want to open myself to the infinite.
the newer members will not have heard my comment that when I respond
to a thread, most of the time I am doing it for me. I am doing it to
re-member my essence. I am doing it to widen my horizons and vistas,
I am doing it to give my particular point on my path a temporary concreteness
that can be weighed, measured and evaluated, so that I may move on in
my re-member-ing of that essence and expand it towards infinity.
neat part of all of this is that it appears that as I move further along
my path, others move further along theirs and equally important, as
they move along theirs, mine becomes that much more defined and full
featured. It is not something I think I could do by myself....
there are no personal attacks here............B**
that some more input about the "other way" that has been buried
under the New Age COINTELPRO game needed to be brought forward. The group
members needed to have articulated for them the tests and challenges they
would have to face, and even though I had already written at some length
about my own initiation and progress on the Staircase of ascent, I thought
that Mouravieff had described it in broader terms. And so I posted the
As I am
reading through Mouravieff, he repeatedly states that there is no possibility
of finding the Way unless and until the individual has experienced complete
is that this is like a death. And that this death is necessary for rebirth.
the steps as follows:
Stage: Exterior life characterized by anarchy of the three centers of
and precise discernment between "A" and "B" influences creates the embryo
of the magnetic center. Under the influence of the "B" influences, the
seeker is drawn towards the First Threshold.
words, the becoming aware and distinguishing between STS and STO is
the initial process. This is the point at which the Control System seeks
to obfuscate the individual by the production and promotion of all of
the "we have to get over dualities" propaganda and the attempts to use
truth as a barrier. It is indeed true that at 7th density there is no
duality, no polarity, but to attempt to apply that to this density is
fatal to the seeker. He will then be continuously degaussed in the interplay
reached this point, man has entered a path. He is placed face to face
with Life: his own life, with its own soluble and insoluble problems.
is the first esoteric test. This test consists of a general reassessment
of values. The results obtained depend upon the objectivity and courage
brought to the task. One must exert a conscious effort upon oneself
so as not to "dodge the issue" or lie to oneself during this reevaluation.
One must consider and analyze those about one, face facts and attribute
their intrinsic value to them without compromise or pity for oneself
the process of "naming." Mouravieff has said that this must be done
silently, but I think that we have found that it works very well doing
it in a network. The networking factor seems to speed up the process
because this creates an environment in which lying to the self is more
the STS Matrix would dearly love to eliminate this process. They want
us to generalize and think that by evaluation and assessment we are
"judging," and that this "judging" is a sin. They don't mention the
devilish detail that "judgment" means to pass a sentence that must be
carried out - i.e. "acting against."
this process consists of just "naming" and deciding what is what.
the choice must be made. And this choice is not to "act against."
be better to withdraw before crossing the First Threshold than, having
cut oneself off from the region of bourgeois happiness, to wish to regain
it later. The Way is a one-way street. After the Threshold there is
only one option: either to progress on the Way or to fall.
on, any return to the original state will be forbidden. If the magnetic
center is pure and sufficiently firm, a man of influence"C" appears:
the first Threshold will be crossed under his direction.
threshold crossed, a link in the chain of esoteric influence will have
been forged. Becoming a traveler, the seeker is "saved in hope."
will still remain as before. All the conscious efforts he has made have
allowed him to cross the Threshold. This is an enormous step forward.
But the sincere desire to get out of exterior life, which inspired the
crossing, is not in itself enough to free him from all "A" influences.
other side of the Threshold, mesoteric work will unfold before someone
who has reached the note Si. He must be solidly established in this
state, and facing forward, as "Whoever puts his hand to the plough,
and looks back, is not fit for the kingdom of God."
at this stage is, for every seeker to go back carefully through the
film of his life, so as to reach a double result: 1) To distinguish
objectively, as far as possible for him at this phase of his evolution,
between permanent, eternal elements and temporary, karmic elements.
2) To stimulate within himself, with the help of this analysis, a strong
desire to cross the Second Threshold. The strength of this desire, and
the firmness of his decision, are the only measures of success.
the first Threshold, man must be aware of his attitude towards exterior
life in general. This threshold crossed, he must take as objective not
this external life, with all its illusions, but instead, the film of
his own life.
fifth and sixth stages:
form the "Path of Access" to the Way. This phase presents itself as
a Staircase that man has to climb.
staircase has a peculiarity which we must keep in our minds. It is not
possible for us to stay on a particular step indefinitely. After a specified
delay, sufficient time for him to fulfill the task required from him
by the note in force, the step will give way.
the evolution, the seeker climbing the staircase step after step, will
have the following tasks:
make the Personality grow to its fullest possible extent
2) To develop it
3) To balance the three lower centers by replacing the mechanical
ties between them with conscious ties from each center to the magnetic
center to which the lower centers will then be subordinated.
these tasks, he will become man # 4. The eliminated artificial morality
of false "A" influences will be replaced inside him by the
action of his conscience, the embryonic expression of the consciousness
of the real "I." The latter's radiance will penetrate, bit by bit, through
the magnetic center to the whole Personality of the seeker. Man # 4
remains in several ways an exterior man; and he is still mortal. But
he is ready to cross the Second Threshold, beyond which, safely sheltered
from the "A" influences and from the Law of Accident, the Way begins
in its true sense. Once having reached this degree, the seeker becomes
a man of influence "C"
never lose sight of the fact that everything man does, he does imperfectly.
Theoretically, man 4, by the time the note Fa is resounding fully, should
already be absolute master of himself. The growth and the development
of his Personality should have been pushed to their utmost limits. If
this were really the case, the absorption of the lower emotional center
by the magnetic center would have occurred in profound joy. But this
only happens rarely. This is because man, everywhere and always late,
does not fully succeed in accomplishing his task at each step of the
time allowed for him to finish his work on each step is limited, he
is obliged to pass to the next step while still dragging behind him
a part, sometimes a large part, of his karmic debt.
allowed, but only on condition that his purification is completed at
the next stage.
reached the First Threshold, the seeker has been placed facing "life."
Having reached the Second Threshold, he is placed face to face with
himself. In other words, he will see his Personality in its ensemble
and in every detail. In the same way, he will perceive all the results
of his Karma, as well as all the distortions they have provoked in his
being, in particular, the distortion that comes from hypocrisy towards
oneself, and from the lies we tell ourselves. These are the most difficult
elements to constate. Consequently they are the most difficult to neutralize.
This is the second great test.
first time in his life, he will see himself objectively, as he is, with
no make-up, without the least justification or compromise, and with
no possibility of evasion. For the just, this ordeal is full of ineffable
joy. To him, it will be like the light of dawn. For the unjust - and
this is the general case - this vision of oneself seems terrifying.
equilibrium of the Personality cannot be attained except by complete
neutralization of all karmic consequences. Someone who aspires to liberation,
although of good faith, cannot appreciate the nature and importance
with the Second Threshold, everything that has been learned mechanically
loses its force; all the buffers, all the auto-tranquillizers, must
be broken and thrown away. All the debts must be paid in the proper
is suffering that is so intense it is like dying.]
same time, the faithful has to rid himself of those illusory and imaginary
duties which sometimes acquire a hypnotic force, and to which a human
being attaches real value.
with oneself generally takes a dramatic course because of the karmic
debt which each one of us carries. But this is inevitable.
can include divorce and other changes in one's life that are truly life
now take stock of all his mental possessions, since until this time
the greatest part of these possessions were outside his field of observation,
somewhere in the archives of his subconsciousness. He will be surprised
when constating the contents of that subconsciousness, just what he
may discover in there; traces of heroic acts, and perhaps of the most
ignoble crimes as well. [This is the truth of the commonly touted New
Age idea of "integration."]
runs away from this monster - in which he must recognize himself - this
will be the fall, full of the worst dangers. His attitude must be one
of ATTACK. Then the personality monster will give way. At that moment,
man will become master of himself.
moment is decisive. From now on, strengthened by the victory won,
the man's task will be to transfigure his Personality. He should convey
to it an image of Radiant Beauty. In the language of the Tradition,
we can say that at this time the Betrothed is adorned with her bridal
the Betrothed will be ready to meet the Bridegroom.
crossing of the Second Threshold, the developed and harmonized personality
will be born. This is the second Birth, analogous to physical birth
from every point of view. Having crossed the Second Threshold, the Personality
unites itself with the real "I." Man then becomes man # 5. After the
Second Threshold, the True Way begins.
of three sections. The interior man enters the higher level of esoteric
teaching. He is now obliged to start teaching others. It is while
teaching others that he acquires new faculties corresponding to particular
elements of his Individuality. In the terminology of St. Paul, these
are the gifts of the Holy Spirit. At this stage man becomes a master
seen from below, but seen from above he has the title of assistant.
The first new basic faculty - common to ALL individualities, and
developed all along the stages of this level - is an aptitude for spontaneously
distinguishing the true from the false. This aptitude will be the
distinguishing sign of the New Man in the Cycle of the Holy Spirit....
the path to Ascension.